Joe Mercola and GreenSmoothieGirl on agave

In the natural health space, Joe Mercola is very much a Goliath, and I’m very much a David. Today’s topic: my affinities and differences with his philosophies.

Dr. Mercola responded to my blog posting and newsletter of a week ago, about agave.

I stand firm that drawing fear-based parallels between raw, organic agave from a reputable company and tequila or HFCS is “ridiculous” as I said before.

A raw agave plant is to agave is to HFCS—as an orange is to orange juice is to Tang.

I disagree with Joe Mercola on a variety of issues, including his promoting and selling whey protein, beef, tanning beds, and his metabolic typing theory with no real basis in science.

This whole agave controversy reminds me of something I remember from when my kids were little. There was a group of parents who were furious with the Barney show. The parents decided to form a coalition to fight the producers because they’d decided Barney was really the devil in a big purple suit, teaching kids about séances and witchcraft. The lawsuit, as I recall, referred to Barney the Dinosaur as promoting Satanism.

As a young mother, I remember reading about it in the paper and laughing out loud.

There are so many true evils in the world hurting children. Sweat shots, kiddie porn. Too-heavy backpacks full of textbooks. Let’s not forget McDonald’s products and marketing program. Just to name a few.

Why spend precious energy creating fear about a harmless TV show that has the dinosaur imagining things and disappearing?

That’s how I feel about the agave controversy. Again, I disagree with People Magazine calling it a “superfood” as much as I disagree that it’s going to hurt us when used in moderation.

I have interviewed experts as well. I feel confident that predicting nutritional catastrophe because someone adds a bit of agave to her green smoothie takes away from the real, more meaningful debate.

Let’s attack the true villains gaining traction in the food world: Monsanto; modern practices in raising beef/poultry; corn/soy products taking over the food supply; processed foods; fast foods; GMO foods; pasteurized and irradiated foods.

There’s plenty of evil without attacking the little bit of maple syrup, honey, agave, or stevia we whole-foods advocates use. (Each of those has pluses and minuses. Agave’s pluses are lower blood sugar impact as well as availability in raw/organic form.)

The whole debate takes away from the basic premise I reiterate here over and over:

Plant foods are good preventive medicine. We alter them to our detriment. We have to get back to our roots. Less processed is better, less concentrated sweeteners is better, more natural is better. Whole is good; fractionated and refined is bad.

And I want to say this about Joe Mercola. Some of the things he promotes seem oversold or a bit paranoid to me, and others are counter to what I teach on this site, like an incredibly expensive tanning bed being a good way to get Vita D. However, I respect him tremendously for being one of the first on the internet to start educating people about natural healing. He is smart and educated, and I believe he has good motives.

He and I have the same goal of educating people, empowering them, to eat natural foods and live a lifestyle that avoids reliance on medical solutions such as drugs and surgery.

I agree with Mercola about far more things than I disagree with him about. I appreciate his commenting here on my blog.

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  1. I have to say that agave does not have a lower impact on blood sugars. It was raising mine so that I would not recommend agave for diabetics. I would recommend stevia.

    1. This is yet more evidence that all agave is not equal and finding a good source is important. (David Wolfe’s article is well done and points to that.)

    2. Depending on the diabetic . . . it should raise blood sugar far LESS than honey/sugar/etc., IF it’s a good source like Xagave. But stevia has zero impact and is best for diabetics.

  2. For a while I was totally sold on Mercola’s stuff. I think he has a lot of truth to say, but it feels like he creates more controversy than clarity. But I agree, it is good that people are able to think about their health more and more with the help of his website and newsletters. I was a bit curious about the tanning beds as well…Maybe one would be necessary if I lived in Alaska….or Forks, WA….ha ha

  3. The problem with David Wolfe’s report on agave . . .

    David Wolfe sells agave.

    He’s mostly attacking a specific source, but readers can misconstrue that, with all the sources quoted, and the article being rather well written, to mean David Wolfe thinks agave is bad.

    Again, he doesn’t think it’s bad if he sells it. (Not that David Wolfe–or Mercola or yours truly for that matter–is the end-all, be-all, final word on anything.)

    I agree with both him and Mercola that sourcing can be a problem. I think quite a few sources have strict standards and oversight, however, including some of the biggest ones like Madhava. I think that Mercola unnecessarily creates paranoia that everyone out there is trying to pass off HFCS as agave.

    Most companies, including in third-world countries, are run by honest people wanting to provide the ACTUAL product they say they’re making. Most businesses know that integrity is critical in long-term success. Let’s not get carried away in maligning entire swaths of the food chain. This issue has yet to fully settle. But it will eventually settle: the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

    –Robyn

  4. Robyn, this is a beautifully written blog that wraps up in a nutshell exactly how I feel too. I would never demean the tremendous work that Dr. Mercola has done, and he has been my personal guru for many years. However, once I learned a thing or two about a living foods diet last year, I too have some disagreements with some of his specific beliefs.

    I’m 46 yrs old and I have been a raw vegan for about 8 months now, have lost 52 lbs, my asthma and acid reflux have disappeared, and I know I am healthier than I’ve ever been in my life! If I squirt in a bit of raw agave nectar when I’m mixing up a batch of my chocolate nut fudge, I really don’t think Satan himself is going to come after me, LOL!

  5. David Wolfe does not sell Agave, he used to when he ran Sunfood which he no part of. This is explained in the article here http://www.sacredchocolate.com/agave-blues-david-wolfe

    Agave is definitely NOT a diabetic , hypoglycemic friendly food. Test it on yourself with a blood sugar monitor and you will see. Gabriel

    Cousens M.D. also abandoned agave many years ago because it was throwing many people out of balance.

    Of course a little in a green smoothie for the balance of sweet is if you do not have any sugar issues.

    Gabriel Cousens talks about a key to longevity is keeping our insulin in balance (not sure the exact technical term here)

    I remember when it came out and everyone said it was low glycemic sweeter and I bought it too. The reaction in my body is very different to a raw honey or a fresh fruit, makes me edgy.

    Love

    Philip

  6. Robyn

    I follows your posts and info, rawvegan, I work out a lot, making a prototype of a fastfood vegan restaurant, food production, etc.

    I sent you an email after your post on agave.

    I have been in the healthfoods industry for 30 years, I live in a small alpine town in the state of Jalisco, where agave comes from.

    There is a big diference in the refined, almost colorless, tastaless agave necatar that sell in the U.S. and the unrefined agave nectar dark color, full of flavor and nutrients that we can get here.

    Un Beso

    Hugo

    Hugo

  7. My rule of thumb is this: Good, Better, Best. For example…natural sugar (evaporated cane juice) is good, Agave and Honey MAY be a Better choice, and less of natural sweetners and some Stevia may be the Best choice. Depends on you and your health issues and goal. I used to think that splenda was better then refined table sugar. Now I don’t use any artificial sweetners and still have white sugar in the house. I had to ween myself off the S.A.D. diet of HFCS and glucose, sucrose, fructose in everything. If my choice is a Moon Pie or an Apple I will choose the apple everytime…an apple is “better”. If its Agave or white sugar…I’ll choose agave.

  8. I use coconut palm sugar and stevia instead. Agave is much more processed than was originally thought.

  9. As for the Metabolic Typing Test, in my holistic nutrition program (Hawthorn University) we are taught about this test. I personally need protein but nuts and beans and seeds don’t do it for me. I need cooked meat and get dizzy if I eat too many carbs even in fruit. Even Susan Schenck (Live Food Factor) said that she wasn’t sure what to say about the typing test.

    Mercola, Dr. Al Sears, Loren Cordain and even Dwight Lundell (cardiologist) say that we would do better on a hunter-gatherer diet — which means organic veggies and fruit and grass-fed meat/eggs and raw dairy (if eating any dairy).

    I feel much better when I eat this way but I am definitely protein-oriented and am carb intolerant. I buy almost all of my food organic. I do eat raw foods everyday in the form of salads and throw some meat protein on them. I can have a little bit of a green smoothie but not too much or I get dizzy from all of the fruit. People who are carb oriented can often do a raw food diet.

    So what I think you should say is that some people need cooked protein and some people do better with more carbs. All people needs raw veggies as in a salad or two each day. It doesn’t have to be one way for everybody. You couldn’t tell someone with celiac disease that they couldn’t have cooked protein

  10. I asked Dr Young directly about agave. He said that is absolutely not good for the system. I am not quoting him directly, but he said something like it reaks havock on the body and should never be use. Dr Young is the scientist who wrote the pH miracle books and is the foremost authority on alkalinity. He has looked at 10s of thousands of live blood cells and has helped many people cure themselves of cancer, diabetes (including type 1!! and numerous other dis-eases). In an alkaline environment, disease cannot survive. So, if you want to be healthy, skip the agave!! it shows up very poorly in the blood!!

  11. I agree with you Robin. I’m a diabetic and I find that small amounts of Agave don’t affect my sugar much. I can’t it in great amounts, but I sometimes put a small amount in my green smoothies to take the edge off and I haven’t had any problems.

  12. I am so totally mixed up. I have been sharing agave with tons of people that are diabetic. Telling them it will not raise their glycemic index, and now I feel horrible. What brand is a good one?

  13. Hi Robyn,

    I was just at the Longevity Conference in Costa Mesa with Dr. Mercola and David Wolf, so this is a tiny update. They both spoke about Agave. They were even at time on stage together talking about Agave (it is a huge topic right now). They were both clear that:

    1) Agave is not appropriate for people who have

    blood sugar issues because it is not really a

    low glycemic product

    2) Much Agave currently available is an off-product

    from the manufacture of Tequila (by the mafia)

    in Mexico and other similar countries

    3) Clear Agaves (basically those from Ultimate and

    some others) are possibly okay for some people

    in small quantities

    By the way, David Wolfe does not sell or specifically sponsor any products. He has not been associated with David Wolfe’s Sunfoods for over a year. They should no longer be associating his name with their products. They are probably just running out some old labels.

    Thanks for your work Robyn. You are doing a great job for all of us.

    The better it gets the better it gets,

    Robina

    (BTW, my husband and I have been living foods people since the 70’s with Ann Wigmore. We remain flexible and in love with life. This is an amazing life style that produces long term wonderful results in terms of health and consciousness.)

  14. I think the problem is people are so addicted to something sweet. So try to stay away from any sweetner there is no such thing as moderation. Just don’t add anything agave, stevia, honey just add fruit to your smoothie. Remember why your having a smoothie in the first place. 75% leafy greens 25% friut.

  15. THANKS ROBYN!! Your article was right-on and maturely expressed! Keep up the great work, you are helping MANY people!!

    Betsy

  16. Though I do not agree with many of Dr. Mercola’s views, the way agave is processed, it is just another highly processed food – not one that can be considered nutritious.

    The real test in how people react to it. It may be trumped as low on the glycemic index, yet those with low blood sugar or diabetes will tell you they know it’s not a good sweetener because of how they feel. They can’t use it.

    It’s really not a product on the list of healthy foods!! And those who desire better health need to know this!

  17. Thanks so much for having this debate, because Dr. Mercola does have this aura of authority, however I do agree with you on many levels. Organic Raw agave nectar is fine in reasonable doses for those not afflicted with diabetes.

    I believe it is reckless to compare it with HFCS, David Wolfe’s article which you reference is the most calm and level headed explanation of what agave is and the process by which it is manufactured.

    thanks Robyn for doing what you do so well, keep it up!

    Love,

    Natasha

  18. I do like Mercola in moderation. I am not a fan of the fear based approach to living and many of his articles comes across to me as fear based. All I know is that I have been sick for many years (4 years completely bedridden) and changing my diet to include whole foods green smoothies and veggie juices has done more for my health than any of the supplements or other alternative approach I have tried over the last 20 years. I have tried just about everything and getting to the basics with vegetables, especially the green leafy ones has made the biggest difference to my health. I am functioning better now than I have at any time in my life previously. I appreciate your blog, it is the one that got me to try my first green smoothie. In fact, I live in Maryland, but am in Utah househunting this week, so I may try to make it to your event in Lehi on Friday. I would love that. Green smoothies have really changed my life.

  19. If agave were truly natural and unprocessed, I would love using it. I began using it after seeing it in RAW recipes. online and in RAW recipe books. I celebrated the idea of something so sweet and natural in my recipes.

    I have liver AND blood sugar problems and I was surprised that RAW AGAVE caused ringing in my ears, just as products containing corn syrup did. I felt “off” and tired after eating it or products that contain it. I wondered what was wrong and did a little research on the subject to figure out what the heck the problem was. This is a little of what I learned:

    From the Weston A. Price foundation’s website:

    “Agave “nectar” is not made from the sap of the yucca or agave plant but from the starch of the giant pineapple-like, root bulb. The principal constituent of the agave root is starch, similar to the starch in corn or rice, and a complex carbohydrate called inulin, which is made up of chains of fructose molecules.Technically a highly indigestible fiber, inulin, which does not taste sweet, comprises about half of the carbohydrate content of agave.

    The process by which agave glucose and inulin are converted into “nectar” is similar to the process by which corn starch is converted into High Fructose Corn Syrup. The agave starch is subject to an enzymatic and chemical process that converts the starch into a fructose-rich syrup–anywhere from 70 percent fructose and higher according to the agave nectar chemical profiles posted on agave nectar websites.” (one said 95%!)

    Regular corn syrup is only about 55% fructose! No wonder my liver was giving me the “help me” signal. It had to work harder.

    Fructose, especially concentrated fructose, is hazardous and aging for our bodies. If you choose to use it, understand the risks and understand that AGAVE syrup is rich enough in it that it poses a health risk. I noticed the energy robbing effect of agave nectar pretty quickly. I don’t know if anyone else with liver problems gets ringing in their ears or other indicators when they encounter a food they shouldn’t eat, but I do. When I learned that fructose was highly concentrated in AGAVE nectar, I understood why I was getting the same signal I get when I eat foods with corn syrup or corn syrup solids as an ingredient.

    According to my investigation of the Journal of Clinical Investigation research results, when fructose is digested in your liver, it is turned into triglycerides or stored body fat. It isn’t converted into blood glucose like other sugars, so doesn’t impact your blood sugar levels. Because of this, I thought it would be safe for hypoglycemics and diabetics, but it isn’t.

    Instead it inhibits leptin, the hormone your body uses to notify your body that you’re full, Your body is still hungry nad you gain weight, but not just fat, the worst kind of fat: viscerla fat. Increased visceral fat is associated with worsening of blood gucose and insulin sensitivity problems and an increase in LDL the “bad” cholesterol.

    Regularly eating this kind of fructose can train your body to increase fat synthesis by 75% in nine weeks! I didn’t start eating raw or organic foods to get fatter! Did you?

    So, if you use agave nectar, maple syrup or cane syrup, or other processed food products, and you know the risks associated with those foods and still like to include them as treats or even in your daily meals, fine, but please, don’t call them super-foods or imply they are actually health-builders, when they are in fact compromises. They are not eaten to build our bodies, but to keep our old candy addictions alive or comfort us the way a snickers bar or chocolate chip cookies used to.

    I am not into legalism, in diet or religion, I just say, “know the truth and then make your decision.” I have never seen a real living agave plant or cut it open to squeeze out the nectar. I have only seen bottles and jars of very thick syrup in bottle at my health food store. From my own due diligence, my conclusion is that agave nectar is not a natural health food. Humans have to meddle with the natural agave juices quite a bit in order to produce the jars we find at the market. It is a processed food, rich in processed fructose. Do what you think best with it.

  20. I don’t agree with every Dr Mercola says either but he does have some good info.

    On this I have I’m going to lean to the side of better stay away from it. I will stick to the Stevia, which I’m going to order a plant and grow my own and add the leaves to my soothies, and adding a couple of dates, apples really help to sweeten them right up also. 🙂 I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes and feel like it’s better to err on the safe side than risk spiking my sigar levels or overloading my liver.

    Thanks for all your info Robyn, sure wish I lived close to where you would be doing a class!

  21. P.S. I agree with you that Dr. Merola advocates some things I don’t find particularly natural and tanning beds and whey protein are among them. Everyone is responsible for checking out what they hear or read before deciding what they will do.

  22. Green Smoothie girl get off Mercola”s back. My goodness you disagree but do you have to bash him and his corporation. Why are you going down this road? So very distasteful. And I am finding it even more offense on your part because you are the only one debating. I thought you said it was an ongoing debate, I was expecting to hear him debating with you.

    You sound like a jealous competitor, a jealous self righteous competitor.

    1. Would love to hear more from Joe Mercola or anyone else about agave or any other topic you’d like to discuss. I don’t compete–like I said, he sells tanning beds and meat and supplements. I offer information about a whole foods lifestyle.

  23. if yu would like more information on what furctose does in the body look on u tube at “Sugar the bitter truth” i think you will think a little different after this 60 min vedio.

  24. I greatly appreciated your statement, Robyn, on agave, as I read it as a reasonable approach on the subject. I have been getting Dr. Mercola’s newsletters for some years, and share his articles with my Child Psychology classes for their awareness about health issues. Having said that, I teach students to use critical thinking and sometimes articles from mercola.com go overboard, i.e. “sugar causes cancer.” Trust me, I fully understand that sugar FEEDS cancer, and alert my students to it’s dangers; to make a blanket statement that it causes it is over the top.

    Regarding agave, as with anything processed, we all need to make an educated decision about what we put in our bodies. Thank you to those who posted additional websites to review regarding this topic.

  25. Robyn,

    I went off sugar (all refined, etc., HFCS sugars) for the past almost 6 months, and instead used agave nectar as a sugar subsitute. I can say that I felt so good NOT eating white sugar and HFCS, and felt no ill effects from using agave daily (at most 2 tbls, usually less than 1 tbls). I am now, however, just trying to ween off a bit so I can lose my last 10 pounds, but I plan on using it, in moderation, for life, as long as its from a quality source.

    One day I made whole grain pancakes for my son and I, and used organic 100% maple syrup. The pancakes and the syrup were something I hadn’t eaten for a while, and I ended up having a slight headache the rest of the day, and this happened again the next time I ate the same thing. While I understand that its possible from not eating wheat that often (other than toast every so often) that I could’ve got a headache from that (I used agave instead of sugar in the pancake recipe), but I believe that the maple syrup could have caused the headache. I don’t get headaches, and the only time I had maple syrup I did…

    My point is this, like you have said, these sugar substitutes ALL have their plus and minuses, and shouldn’t be over-eaten. Some people might be very ‘sugar’ sensitive, in whatever form (candida, headaches, etc.) so I don’t think that’s a reason to, like you’re trying to say, make it “bad” or evil.

    It is frustrating because I would much rather see someone make a a BETTER choice by having agave on their whole oatmeal or in a smoothie than having some refined over-processed breakfast cereal. Its sometimes about what is BETTER. Once you have reached the “perfect” way of eating, than great. You can be “perfect” and cut out agave and all sugar substitutes, and good for you! But in the mean time, help those who are just trying to make better choices feel encouraged not confused and demonized.

    I despise people telling me agave is “bad”, especially people in the nutrition field. It doesn’t spike your insulin, and I don’t believe it has given me any long term problems (I’ve been eating it for over 2 years), and I have lost 25 lbs over the last 5 months eating clean, healthy (having green smoothies daily), cutting sugar, as well as exercising and getting good rest.

    Lets put our energy towards battling things like what children are fed in schools, what is advertised and marketed towards children, and so on.

    Lets just be “better” about choosing our battles 🙂

    Amy

  26. Melanie is right. Plain and simple. I read about agave nectar on greensmootiegir.com. I gave it to my brother who is diabetic to help him. Immediately he told me “this stuff is crap” it is the same as sugar. It was from a reputable source. In fact I don’t know of a more reputable source.

    I did my research. Melanie, you are 100% right. I see no difference between it and high fructose corn syrup. In fact high fructose corn syrup at least is produced in the United States which at least has tighter restrictions on food production than mexico.

    As far as a sweetner I am sticking with honey. Can you get anymore natural than honey? I don’t use a sweetner in my smooties (other than the fruit). But you can’t make your own granola without something sticky to hold it together.

    Dr. Mercola and what he does sell should not be brought into this. What he sells or believes on other subjects has nothing to do with this subject.

    I learned of the video on youtube called “sugar the bitter truth” from Dr. Mercola. Not GSG.com. That is the most informative and important segment on health I have ever seen. Sugar is a poison in our bodies. We are not hummingbirds or bees. It is not part of our normal diet.

    Robyn thinks of meat the way Dr. Mercola thinks about sugar. Meat is part of a native humans diet. Agave nectar is not. So which in more “natural”?

    I like my ideas to be backed up by science. I understand Dr. Mercola’s point of view. When we have some science that backs up the idea that agave nectar is different than corn syrup I will listen.

    But from a chemistry standpoint, I don’t think it is going to happen. From the original product all the way down to the final agave nectar. It parallels corn syrup.

    So why should its effects on the body be any different?

  27. I really don’t know anything about Dr. Mercola but do know the only thing you will get from a tanning booth is cancer.

  28. Three years ago I took a class at our local community college called “Sweeteners” and was shocked to learn how agave is processed by the body. It does not go into the cells, which keeps it low glycemic, but goes directly through the liver which then stores it in FAT. If this is how you want your body to deal with the sweetener you choose, whether it is organic and raw or not, then keep eating agave.

    I’m glad David Wolfe has come out calling it like it is now, “agave not a wise choice”. He said this played a part in why he left Sunfood.com

  29. I’ve always been uncomfortable with agave, and as I’ve learned more, I also think is should be avoided. The reason it’s low glycemic is because of it’s high fructose level. Fructose doesn’t raise insulin because it’s processed directly by the liver (not good), which raises triglycerides. In the form used, it’s not a traditional food, and I’m much more comfortable with something like raw honey, which IS a traditional food and has known health benefits. All sweeteners, however, are best in small quantities.

  30. I started out imy health food journey with doc mercola. since then I have read alot more articles, obtained much more info that seemed not so high glitz. also, there are alot of educatores for the green movement that are not trying to sell something everytime you turn around. I feel like dr. mercola over reacts to everythin. you still got to live and I am going to do good most of the time with my diet/lifestyle but, I’m not going to be a purist.

  31. I have followed Dr. Mercola’s work for years now, even before he offered tanning beds.

    I have to agree with him on the point about Agave, because I used the least refined type, and found that it did bother my well being. I’m not saying that it is unhealthy for all, just for me.

    As far as the Tanning Beds go, I remember a couple of articles by him about them, and in them he blasted them as being unhealthy, because they did not offer full-spectrum light, and therefore did not support better health .

    Then, after some time he came out with his version, which he explained very carefully as something he only recommended for those who had problems getting enough Sunlight to produce the required Vitamin D.

    I don’t think he has varied from that viewpoint.

    Personally I love the vegan/vegetarian diet, but my wife has problems with it, even though she is realizing that ph is more of a problem than we have ever imagined, and it can best be controlled with a vegan/vegetarian diet.

    Personally, I like the Dr. Mercola newsletter, and I read what appeals to me and let the rest go. I do the same with “The Health Ranger” Mike Adams.

    they both get a little into conspiracy theories, but who’d to say that they aren’t right?

  32. The sun is by far the leading cause of skin cancer. Is the sun bad now?

    Ask someone who has psoriasis. They go to tanning beds to help alleviate their skin lesions. Tanning beds used in moderation is a good thing. They are no different than sun exposure except. You don’t get as much of the other damaging rays.

  33. Hmmm… A tanning bed with the proper bulbs gives a well measured and controlled amount of the same spectrum of light as the sun. Humans have been exposed to the sun for millions of years. What could be more “natural”? We were made to receive sunlight and sun exposure is the purest, most natural and only efficient way our bodies produce the essential vitamin “d” that is so necessary to our health. Those of us in the more Northern hemisphere lack sunlight in the winter months and vitamin “d” deficiencies are a documented fact. The benefit of tanning beds are that the exposure is well dosed and if you use one properly the possibility of burning is eliminated. The chance of getting skin cancer from properly using a tanning bed is much lower than that of receiving cancer from less than well monitored sun exposure. And, keeping a base tan with a tanning bed actually protects your skin from sun damage. The best type are those that allow you to stand (lying in a tanning “bed” is like lying in a frying pan). Anne, what you will get from a tanning device is an abundance of vitamin “d” production which will help build strong bones and strengthen your immunity. I’m not one who favors tanning to a dark bronze, but I do keep a light base tan throughout the year, and limit my sun exposure. But then most of you who oppose tanning are well versed in these opinions and claims that myself and Dr. Mercola believe in. We’ll just agree to disagree.

  34. Rawsome debate!

    Myself, as a single, homeschooling vegan, raw mommy of a a rawk’n 14 year young teen; I would heavily lean on the lightest side of un-processed light-filled beings, such as natural un-processed dates and/or unpastuerized honey.

    The more real – the more rawstruck!

    And, it is not even due to this information of mis .. that I am basing my divine decision.

    Simply due to how I feel and respond when eating dates or honey, compared to unatural sources of sweetener that cause my blood sugar and that of my sacred so to indiscriminately soar.

    Common sense will always win out.

    Supernaturally,

    Katherine Marion

    http://www.Supernaturalwoman.com

    P.S.

    Conscious congratulations on your sure-unfired raw treat that is sure to be a naturally created sugar-free treat!

  35. Okay for all the honey lovers out there – hello?? it is still very high about 75% fructose- very hard on the liver – not that great either, – and it is very high glycemic. not a great alternative, imo.

    About the tanning, there is not one case in our history that a person has gotten malignant melanoma cancer from moderate use of a tanning bed. (there is opinion – and then there are facts). If you understand how the skin tans, a tanning bed cannot ‘fry’ you (lol). It only penetrates the upper horny layers of the skin, unlike the full spectrum sun, and what makes it ideal is that you have a controlled environment that filters out harsher rays that are emitted from natural sunlight. So if you are going to a professional salon with educated staff, you get a controlled dosage of regulated light that allows your body to produce vitamin d. I am betting a lot of the opinion based naysers do not know that tanning machines are actually medical devices that were first brought into hospital and dermatological offices before being deregulated into private owned tanning salons. In fact the devices at the hospitals are so extremely hard on the skin (v high levels of UVB) that a person can only be submitted to it for a few minutes – unlike tanning beds which are heavily filtered to allow only a fraction of the UVB – but enough for the body to be able to produce the vit d). It was actually a doctor in a hospital that recommended i keep my fair skin in a tanning salon in future instead of outside all the time as i would get severe burns outside to the point i would land in a hospital. It has been 15yrs since then and i have not burned once since that time.

    Response to the person saying ‘only tanning beds in alaska maybe’. The body cannot produce vit d in many parts of the world during the months of sept to may because the sun is too far from one’s position on the earth (ex. new york, toronto for sept to may). Most of the population is vit d deficient, but because a few disease profitting foundations and a disgruntled medical profession (from being deregulated with operating the tanning machines exclusively and loss of millions of $$) are upset, doesn’t mean light is the enemy. Also, the FTC lost a huge court case against a popular tanning chain in Canada and U.S. because they made several health claims regarding ‘moderate use of a tanning machine’ and they WON. The court was overwhelmed with the evidence supporting the tanning chain’s claims – while the opposition had nothing to stand on. Do your own research. Look it up yourself if you don’t believe me.

    Instead of me giving information here – why don’t some of you put their ‘knowledge’ to the test. There is a man offering a reward of $10,000 to anyone that can produce or find a legitimate study that shows that moderate us of a tanning bed causes cancer. No joke. Contact Steve through http://www.classictan.ca/

  36. charmaine, you sound like a crazy lady! why are you so offended by what Robyn is doing? take a chill pill

  37. I study nutrition extensively and discovered something that may burst some bubbles here. There is a term “Cephalic Response” Your brain does not know that something is low calorie or “0” calories. Most sugar substitutes are sweeter than sugar and your brain senses that a huge amount of sweetness is coming and creates boatload of insulin to prepare for it. click on the bottom right hand corner on “Hour 1” etc and listen to the evidence…

    http://www.anndeweesallen.com/Newscast.htm

  38. I spent some time researching Agave. Agave has numerous names (mescal, century plant, agave) and there are about 208 species. It is a succulent from Mexico and the Southwest. The crowns, flowers,leaves and stems where eaten by Native Americans and Mexicans. The Mescalero Apache (from whence Geronimo came) were named by the Spanish for the mescal cactus (the agave). The Western Apache diet was 35-40% wild meat and 60-65% plant foods, with agave being the most important plant. The agave plant provided food, drink, and fiber. The early peoples harvested agave crowns and sundried or baked them. Next they were formed into rectangular cakes and throughly dried. The sap of the agave was called ‘honey water’ or aguamiel. The sap of the agave was used in Mexico and Mesoamerica to produce a beverage called pulque. The agave was used for food, drink, and fiber. Agave is a multipurpose plant that has been used to sustain a variety of peoples over centuries. I for one will also continue to use it in my diet. I use agave syrup sparingly, it’s not a huge part of my diet-but I do use it. I am of the opinion that anything can be overdone. Too much good, clean, healthy water can drown a person. That doesn’t mean I should stop drinking water. While agave is low glycemic- people with diabetes should avoid it-as well as avoiding the medium and high glycemic fruits such as melons, mangos, and bananas.

  39. Comparing HFCS and agave? I don’t know if I agree with that considering corn is a grain and agave is a plant. The process and creation of HFCS is way, way more than what it takes to make agave.

    Again, are we saying (“we”, as in those who agree with Robyn) that agave nectar is good, or healthy, or saying ‘eat it all you want in abundance!’ No, obviously not. If you are, say someone who wanted to clean up your lifestyle a little (like finding a way to dodge all the CRAZY stuff in the supermarkets, gas stations, fast food & regular restaurants) and you still might need something to keep you on track, I think its fine!

    My whole life I observed family members put brown sugar (or honey -which is fine) on their whole grain cereal. I just think agave nectar is not as bad.

    And how much are people eating if they are having ill effects from it? I agree with both sides. Nothing is good eaten in too high of quantities, and agave nectar is not meant to be eaten in high, frequent quantities.

    Hey, if it gets people to eat a TON of raw veggies that they normally wouldn’t eat, (and by no means is a 1/2 tbls of agave going to offset the health benefits), than great!

    It is not even close to HFCS, but that doesn’t mean you should start dumping it on everything in sight. Its good to train your body to go without sweeteners, while its also good to eat a lot of raw vegetables as well.

  40. And yes, just because it doesn’t spike a non-diabetic person’s insulin levels doesn’t mean it won’t spike someone with diabetes. So saying a diabetic doesn’t “approve” of agave doesn’t really count ;).

  41. I guess the main issue for Mercola is that new research is showing that fructose is killing people. Agave is fructose. That’s what his big issue is, I presume. His tanning bed theory has been shown by doctors to be great for vit d supply instead of taking supplements. Vit D experts also say the lamp is okay.

    But yes, I totally hear you on they Barney/fear issues. UGH! 100% true.

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