Ep. 177: David Icke, Part II (Interviewed by London Real’s Brian Rose) | Vibe Podcast

This transcript has been edited for clarity.

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If you haven’t heard part one with David Icke, you can go listen to the episode before this and there’s a 27 minute CliffsNotes that I give to kind of give an overview of both of these interviews. If you are interested in continuing the conversation and sharing links, videos and conversation where everyone is polite and kind to each other all the time — which sounds impossible on social media, but everybody in that group knows that we enforce that — you’re welcome to come over to my private group on Facebook. It’s called Taking Action for Freedom.

So go to my previous episode and listen to the first David Icke interview if you have not done so already, and you might enjoy the 27-minute CliffsNotes before that. I’m telling you what, everything that we’re talking about here is so critical to our futures that I think that it’s worth listening to the CliffsNotes and then the complete version. But without any further ado, let’s get right into it.

This is the second interview that Brian Rose of London Real, which you can find at LondonReal.tv, did with the journalist and researcher (professional conspiracy theorist is what some people call him) David Icke.

Brian Rose: This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is David Icke, the English writer and public speaker known since the 1990s as a professional conspiracy researcher; calling yourself a fulltime investigator into who and what is really controlling the world. You are the author of 21 books and 10 DVDs and have lectured in over 25 countries speaking live for up to 10 hours to huge audiences filling stadiums like Wembley arena. You are here for the second occasion today to talk about the COVID-19 pandemic and global lockdown, the looming economic recession, the impact of 5G technology and the violations of our rights and freedoms of speech. David, welcome back to London Real.

David Icke: Thank you Brian.

Brian Rose: It’s been 19 days since you last came on the show. Since then, we are told that millions of people have been infected worldwide with this disease, with death now approaching 100,000 nearly 3 billion people are locked down in their homes. Markets are off 30% and a global recession is pending. Our last conversation went, quite frankly, viral, David; over 7 million views that I can count, the most comments of any episode in London Real history, which tells me one thing that people want to hear your opinion and people want to hear the truth.

David, as you know, I don’t agree with everything you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. And at a time in this country when the regulator Ofcom is banning media outlets from talking about the quote unquote “5G coronavirus conspiracy theories,” I get very concerned. A lot of people told me not to do this interview today again, but in America, where I’m from, the first amendment of the constitution is the right to free speech and freedom of the press. And that right is being violated right now as we speak. George Orwell, in his famous book 1984, said, “in times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” And David, that’s what we’re going to do today. Honestly, I didn’t even know if we’d make it to this moment. I thought we might be shut down today.

Where do we start? Is there a virus?

David Icke: Since we last spoke, Brian, I’ve spent every waking moment, which has been most, of every 24 hours devouring information from virologists specialists, doctors all around the world in America, in Germany, in Austria, Italy, who would never be allowed to get near the BBC or CNN because they are demolishing the official story of this hoax. And if people go to DavidIcke.com when this interview is over, I put a special posting of a series of videos. It says “for viewers to London Real.” A series of videos by these doctors and others who in their various ways support all the elements of what I’m going to say today. So this is not me pulling it out the ether. There’s no point in that. What’s the point? You either deal with facts and what people who should know say, or you don’t.

So this is the headline to start with — which will shock a lot of people I’m sure — there is no COVID-19. It doesn’t exist. And I’m going to explain today why that is and how therefore a pandemic perception could be pulled off.

One of the doctors that I’ve been looking at is called Andrew Kaufman. He is a medical doctor in America. He works in psychiatry now and he, like a lot of these doctors you’ll never see on the BBC, started looking at the sequence of events that’s led us to where we are now. And this is how it went: people started getting ill for whatever reason in China. And the Chinese authorities took genetic material from the fluid in the lungs of people who got ill, only a few, a very small number. And they they found what they what we would call genetic material. It wasn’t an isolated virus. It was genetic material which can be there from a long list of causes, including lung cancer by the way.

And they decided that what was causing the illness was a virus which has got the name COVID-19, but at no time did they isolate that so-called virus from the rest of the genetic material, much of which will be found in the bodies of most people. So they start out — before they started testing — diagnosing people in China from symptoms. And you will have heard this constantly recurring theme about Coronavirus or COVID-19, because there’s lots of coronaviruses/COVID-19 symptoms. And you’ll hear this recurring line: “flu-like symptoms.”

Now, these flu-like symptoms can be caused by a great range of different causes. But they decided on symptoms, which could come from many different causes; those symptoms were now COVID-19. So you had flu like symptoms: COVID-19. And so the numbers got bigger and bigger. And when we get to 5G, there is another element to this which I also want to talk about in relation to China and in relation to the West as well.

But they then develop this test or start using this test to test for COVID-19 and it’s called an RT PCR test. And, wait for it, it doesn’t test for COVID-19. It tests for the genetic material, which has loads of different content caused by many, many, many different possible causes. And if you test positive for the genetic material, not COVID-19, you are diagnosed to have COVID-19, and if you die, to have died from it.

Now let’s look at this RT PCR test. It was developed, invented by a guy called Kary Mullis, a biochemist in America in 1984. And it’s used to try to diagnose many things. The same test has been used to try to diagnose lung cancer. The same test of genetic material that they are saying, “You test positive, you’ve got COVID-19.”

Now, what did this Kary Mullis say? The inventor of the test? — “Oh we must get more people tested for COVID-19”? — The inventor of the test, what did he say? “This test should not be used to diagnose infectious disease.” The inventor of it said that. What are they doing to tell us who has and has not got this so-called COVID-19? The test that he says shouldn’t be used for that very thing.

So you test for this genetic material and you’ve got COVID-19. But there’s another part of this:

What this test does is it amplifies the material. In other words, it makes it larger, to keep it simple. And as it gets larger in the cycles of amplification, what you say is causing the disease gets bigger, and you can see it more (or say you can, I’m going to come to that in a second), but all the other content of the genetic material also gets amplified. And loads of this genetic material is an already in the body of virtually everybody.

This is how the test works. You can fix the figures so easy like this. You do say, 30, 35 cycles of amplification. You’re going to bring into the test-positive a series of things within that genetic material that become there to be seen at that level. So you’re going to get some positives, which you’re going to call COVID-19, but you’re going to get some negatives because you haven’t brought all that material into the testing process.

But [if] you amplify the genetic material, say, I don’t know, 60 times, you have brought so much of the content of the genetic material to be entering the test process that, at that level of amplification, virtually everybody will test positive. Because all the genetic material that’s in most people’s body will now be testing positive in the test through this greater amplification. This means that the number of cycles of amplification you use, say in different countries, dictates how many positive tests you get.

And therefore, all you’ve got to do is increase the amplification and you’ll get more and more positives, and you’re gonna call them COVID-19. And amplification is how sensitive that test is. Imagine that you’ve got something the size of a pin symbolically, the pin head. You can’t really understand it. And because it’s so small, you amplify it and it becomes much greater and you can now start looking at different elements of it. And that’s what the test does. It amplifies. That amplifies. Amplification.

And another thing is that in 1890, a guy called Robert Koch who was a bacteriologist and a physician, he developed something called the Koch postulates. And these were four criteria for proving that an agent, a so-called infectious agent, is the cause of what you say it is.

This includes everyone who is subject to this agent, has the same symptoms.

Two, that you have isolated this agent — call it a virus, bacteria, whatever — you’ve isolated it so there’s no other material only that. So there’s no contamination, there’s no false positives in the way I’ve described. You are only isolating that.

But when you take that and you say inject it into a living host, that host will get what you say that it’s causing.

And when you’ve got that host, you are able — number four — to take that material you say is causing the illness, the infectious illness out of the person, and again, injected into someone else and they will get it.

In terms of COVID-19, not a single one of those four coat postulates which have been used since 1890 by mainstream medicine the world over, to prove that this is infecting and causing that. Not one of them have been used and fulfill none of them. So then we come to something else that Andrew Kaufman identified, which was a tremendous piece of observation and research. You can see it in his video on the DavidIcke.com when this is over.

What happens when a cell gets poisoned is it secretes something called exosomes. This is part of the natural, every day immune system response to poison cells. And these exosomes as they are released… And they’re only released when the cell is poisoned, and it can be poisoned through many, many reasons. It can be toxicity — wait for this one — it can be poisoned through stress and fear. You imagine the stress and fear that’s going on in the world now, during this lockdown.

[Cell toxicity] can be caused by disease, infection and it can be caused by electromagnetic fields, which will become very relevant when we get into 5G. So these exosomes are released. One of the roles of exosomes is poisoned cells warning other cells as they travel around that there’s a problem. “Get ready. Look, there’s a problem here.” So all you have to do to get exosomes released is to have poisoned cells by these various reasons.

What Koufman started looking at was, under the microscope, pictures of exosomes, what they looked like. And then he looked at an under-the-microscope picture of what is claimed to be COVID-19. These two were exactly the same. He then starts looking at the genetic makeup of the exosomes, which you will find in the lung fluid of people who have problems with the lungs, because the problems are generating the release of exosomes.

And he looked at the genetic makeup claimed for COVID-19. They are exactly the same in every relevant way. An exosome and so-called COVID-19 even lock into the same cell receptors as each other. They are, as Kauffman has clearly shown, the same thing. So what’s gone on here is they’ve taken a natural response mechanism of the body, the immune system, to poisonous cells and they’ve renamed it COVID-19.

Now this genetic material they’d taken from the lungs of people — and what is the basis of this test — will contain by its very nature these exosomes. So that finding a natural human immune system response mechanism, this secretion from the poisoned cells and they’re calling it COVID-19. And because anyone who has any level of cellular toxicity is going to produce these exosomes, then the potential for for positive tests of CODIV-19, “It is a pandemic!” is endless.

So what has happened is, it was decided in China —

(And by the way, if you get deeper into this and I hope we will later about why, why this has been done. This global cult that I have been exposing for 30 years, that is pushing the world towards this global fascist Orwellian state, which I’ve been saying was coming for 30 years, “Hello, we’re here,” has no borders. It operates in every country in the shadows. Politicians are just here today, gone tomorrow. That’s always there. China is one of its biggest centers along with America, Israel, Britain, Germany, Italy and so just follow this sequence through)

— they decide in China early on (and there’s a 5G element to this, which we’ll get into later) that it’s a virus. They don’t isolate the virus. They test it — or they diagnose it first of all, only on symptoms, then they start testing — and they use this test which is testing for genetic material, not COVID-19, and then it starts moving out into the West. And Western doctors, nurses, medical professionals, et cetera are told this COVID-19 is moving out. World Health Organization: “It’s a pandemic!” (and we’ll get into who owns the World Health Organization later) “And these are the symptoms.” So what do they start doing? Anyone with flu-like symptoms now gets diagnosed COVID-19, purely on fricking symptoms. And so the numbers start to go up.

The problem is that this is supposed to be a deadly virus, but there’s not enough people dying to justify that description.

So this is what they start doing. Anyone who gets ill for any reason whatsoever, by the way, even falling down the fricking stairs and goes to hospital, they now get tested for COVID-19. Now because they’re testing for genetic material, which is in lots of people’s bodies, they get lots of positives. And although they’re in hospital for late stage cancer, for heart disease and heart failure and for other caused flu-like symptoms, if they’ve tested positive for COVID-19 when they die, they are diagnosed as having died officially from COVID-19. This is why you are having more and more people, families, loved ones, saying “My family member, whatever, has been diagnosed as having died from COVID-19. And they didn’t, they died from this, that died from that. They’ve had it for ages.”

Great example for people around the world watching this. There was once a famous comedian called Eddie Large in a comedy duo called Little and Large. And Eddie Large had a heart problem for a while it seems, and he goes into a hospital with heart failure. While he’s in hospital, he gets diagnosed with COVID-19 because they tested him. And when he died, the wording in the paper, in the media, was that “Eddie Large died in hospital after testing positive for COVID-19.” He died of a failing heart. But COVID-19 will be the diagnosis and the numbers keep going up.

Brian Rose: And you’re saying the total numbers of deaths in the world has not changed anomalously, but we’ve reclassified them as COVID-19, because they tested positive. And you said the language is interesting because they don’t say they died from COVID-19. They died from after testing positive to COVID-19.

David Icke: This is interesting. I’ve been making this point now for many days. Watch the media language, as they used with Eddie Large. Overwhelmingly, they’re not saying that this person or this number have died from COVID-19 (difficult to die from something that you can’t even prove exists) they say — this is the wording and you see it repeated all the time — “This person or this number died off the testing positive for COVID-19.” Not that they died from it. But look at the implication. “Oh, Eddie Large, he died from COVID-19. Oh, everyone’s getting it.”

You have control of the figures by the way you transfer symptoms from other causes to COVID-19. You control the figures by the way you test, not for COVID-19, but for a genetic material. And you control the death figures by who you designate as died from COVID-19 when they’ve died from other things.

You know, people are being designated to have died from COVID-19 who have late-stage cancer. And here’s a figure for you Brian. This is official figures from the Italian medical establishment, what we would call in Britain the National Health Service: 99% of people who have died from COVID-19 in Italy, 99%, have had one, two, three or more other health problems for which they were in hospital or for which they were suffering.

It’s so easy to take people dying of other things and to then designate them COVID-19. This is not to say all the nurses and all the doctors are in on it. You only need a hierarchy to say, “This is what you have to do.” And they do it. This is how it works. And you mentioned something very important.

The last time I looked, the death figures from all causes, in Europe overall and in the United Kingdom, had not risen compared with last year, etcetera, to the extent that even begins to encompass all the people we are told dying from COVID-19. And the reason that is — but that could change for reasons I’ll come to when we get to 5G — the reason that is, is vastly more people are not dying. They’re being re-designated to have died from COVID-19 when they’ve died from other things.

Now let’s look at Lombardi, which is the center of the Italian outbreak, which has been such a focus of attention and the rest of Europe and the Western world has been frightened to death, “Oh, we could be Italy next.”

Lombardi, which includes Milan, is notorious globally for its toxic, polluted air. Just as Wuhan is, and China is. And therefore, vastly more people die every year in Lombardi, not least from lung problems, than do in the rest of Italy. The last figures I saw, just a small few hundred under 100,000 people died in a year in Lombardi. The next second place, Italian region, Lazio, was 57,000.

So you have an area of Italy where loads of people die, not least from lung disease, and you have tremendous potential therefore to make this diagnostic leap which takes people dying of other things and makes it seem as if they’ve died from COVID-19. And therefore you control the figures. And what you can do, you can test in a certain way and you can diagnose in a certain way, and the figures go up. And then when you diagnose and test in a different way, maybe you reduce the number of cycles of amplification of this genetic material that you are using in the test, the figures go down.

Have you noticed something, mate? We had, in China, this extraordinary reaction, the lockdown, they were building new hospitals in a week to 10 days to meet the absolute devastating crisis of this virus, right? In next to no time, by comparison with where they were, those hospitals are closed; the numbers have plummeted, they say. They’re now starting flights. The economy is reopening. People are going back out on the streets. What? What happened suddenly to change all that? Because it was suddenly.

But if you are testing people in a certain way and you’re diagnosing people in a certain way — and we’re going to bring 5G into this later on as well — then you change the diagnosis and you change the way you’re testing and what happens to the numbers. They fricking plummet.

Now another aspect of this, Brian — which is sickening beyond belief but I’ve seen enough evidence to see that it’s true, from people that have contacted me and people have even said things on social media about what’s happened to their loved ones. They want (when I say they, I mean this cult which controls the pyramid of reaction) they obviously want as many dead people as possible that can be designated COVID-19, because that adds to this whole pandemic.

Brian Rose: And we’re going to talk about why later.

David Icke: We are going to talk about why. Because it’s very, very big and simple reason why, and it relates to why there’s a lockdown at all. But what’s clearly happening is that old people in hospital for anything, first of all, they’re being tested for COVID-19. This genetic material. And for reasons I’ve explained, a lot of them are going to test positive, not for the virus, for the genetic material. They’re going to them, and according to loved ones and families, the people on the ward, et cetera have said to them, “It’s government policy,” and they’re trying to get these old people — you know, the old people that the lock down was to protect, yeah right — they’re trying to get them to sign Do Not Resuscitate forms, which means they can be allowed to die and not resuscitated. And when they die without resuscitation, they will be called a COVID-19.

Have you noticed — this is now starting to seep out — “Oh, we may have to make choices about –”

Brian Rose: — the triage…

David Icke: “About who we treat, you know, and the older people, well, you know, we’re going to have to make some hard choices,” old people that you’re telling not to resuscitate, to sign non resuscitation forms. Right. So they are they are despicably abusing the very old people that they say this lockdown is to protect.

One of the family members that contacted me talked about her 83 year old mother who was in hospital for an orthopedic reason, not some bloody virus. And the doctors came along to her and tried to get her to sign a Do Not Resuscitate form. She’s got an orthopedic problem! And you know, she had her faculties about her and she refused. But a lot of people won’t because a lot of old people won’t know what’s going on.

Brian Rose: And they’re trying to get them to sign it so they can save the other people.

David Icke: That’s what they say. But Orwellian language, Brian, you have to invert everything. They’re getting them to sign it so that they can let them die. And everyone who dies is a COVID-19 because they’re tested. This is the scam that’s going on. And what it means is that they control the figures by the way that they test, by the way they diagnose, and the way they count them.

And thus the figures can be allowed to go up and up and up to justify further lockdown. And then when they think — as I said towards the end of our last interview a couple of weeks ago — when will it be over? It will be over actually temporarily, we can come to that later. When they think they have reached the point where everything they want from this — which is a completely destroyed global economy, it is vast numbers of people who’ve lost that independent livelihood and income and thus become dependent on the state, and you do what the state says if you want your pittance every month — they will bring an end to this. And bring the numbers down, “Oh, we are past the curve,” when they think it’s gone far enough for them to have got everything they wanted from it. Look at China. Look at China. It did exactly the same, “Oh, it is terrible. Terrible!” Gone.

Brian Rose: How can it be gone in China?

David Icke: How can it be gone?

Brian Rose: It doesn’t make any sense.

David Icke: No sense.

Brian Rose: Billion plus people, this is infectious in urban environments. They have them everywhere. People say they’re lying about those numbers. I had a doctor on This Is the CIA has seen these funeral urns, those are going through the roof.

David Icke: All you can say is that they’re opening up China, they’re opening up industry, people are going out on the street and they’re opening up air travel again. The whole point is, however, that the authorities control the figures so they can try — and there’s another way that they can control the figures when we get into 5G — and thus they can decide when this thing comes down, anytime they want, just by changing the way that they count and changing the way that they test.

Now look at this sequence. They were not getting enough dead people from this virus to justify the fact that it was lethal. The vast, overwhelming majority of people have no symptoms or mild symptoms. Now just before I go to this point, something else I should add: this RT PCR test cannot and does not test for how much of a quote “virus” you have.

And I will be sitting here now, you’ll be sitting there now, if you weren’t watching this program, we’ll be sitting there and they have all these different (what people call) viruses. They’re actually part of the natural immune system, but they will have that in their bodies and it will be at a level — loads of it! — and it will be up to level that will never trouble them. That’s why you can test positive for something and have no symptoms because it’s at such a low level, it’s not going to trouble you. The immune system sorts that out. It keeps it all under control.

So what you can’t do with this test is test for how much of a quote “virus” you actually have. And in the words of one doctor scientist that I’ve quoted in recent times, “You need massive amounts of it for you to be sick.” So they can’t even begin to tell you if your sickness is from some virus or other, unless they can test how much of it you have. And this test doesn’t do that.

So you don’t have enough dead people to justify the fact that this is lethal, but you want to lock down. You want this locked down for much greater reasons, at which we’ll come to. So what you do is you say,

“Oh yeah, well not that many people have died so far, but what’s coming?”

Have you noticed all around the world? That’s what you’re getting, “Oh, wait for the surge.” Well, the surge can come anytime. They want to increase the way that they test and increase the way that they count the numbers so they can create a surge. That’s not a problem. Or the illusion of one. But it’s in the future. So along comes — in this country and they also advised America too, and other countries in the same way — along comes wild Boris Johnson, the British prime minister, is saying, “Oh, there’s no need for this. There’s no need to shut the football down.” You know? “And there’s no need to close the stores.” You remember that?

Along comes Imperial College, and Imperial College specialize in absolutely shite computer modeling. They have a terrible history for it over the years. You know the computer models that say,

“The ice caps should have gone by now,” right? “‘cuz we’re all dying from global warming.”

“How’d you know?”

“Because my computer model says so.” Right?

So they computer modeled COVID-19, particularly a guy called professor Neil Ferguson, who should never ever in the entirety of his life, ever advise any government ever again. And he says, “Mr. Johnson, 250,000 to half a million people could die in Britain of this virus.” So now Johnson shats himself because he’s having people saying, “You know, Boris, you know, this is what could happen, mate, if you don’t lock it down, if you don’t have social distancing and all that stuff, and you know something mate, you’re going to be blamed for it.”

Oh, massive change attack. And from, “Oh look, they’re not going to close the schools, we’re willing to close the football,” (because football wasn’t shut down by Johnson, it was shut down by the football authorities) to suddenly locked down.

And what they’re doing all around the world, they’re doing it in increments. Oh, a little bit. A little bit. And they get people used to that and then oh, fiercer… They’re doing it in increments. And they plan, if we allow it, (let’s get into that later as well), they planned to push this into more extremes. And so when the lockdown happens and everyone’s basically under fricking house arrest, he said — Ferguson — that the million, 2 million, whatever it was, Americans were going to die from this —

Brian Rose: 2.1 million and.–

David Icke: Yeah, right.

Brian Rose: — 500,000 in the UK.

David Icke: Yeah, exactly. When the lockdown happens, he suddenly rolls back, right? “Oh no. It’s less than 20,000.”

Someone else from Imperial College, which is very closely connected to Freemasons by the way, Freemasonry, and, by the way, the part of the college where Ferguson works takes funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which we were going to get in seriously to later on because Gates is absolutely as a gopher, but a rich one, of this cult, he is right involved in this in ways we’ll come to.

So now he’s rolling it back and they, someone else from Imperial College suddenly says, “Oh no, it could be 7,500 who will die.

Brian Rose: Yeah. Or even less. I heard like 5,700 or something.

David Icke: Yeah. But the lockdowns happened, and the lockdown happened on that, “It’s going to be quarter to half a million.” Right?

Imagine Brian, another computer modeler came along. Government advisor. “Well, my model says that, that ain’t to happen. No, no, no, no, no. We don’t have to shut anything down. It’s not going to happen.” I don’t know that he’d be a government advisor. Yeah. 30 seconds. They get what they want to do what they want. And so we are now in this lockdown and in a matter days, weeks at most, we have gone from the what people perceived as a free world to global fascism, global tyranny in which a tiny, tiny, few people have got billions, half the world’s population under house arrest. And it’s been done by scamming this whole COVID-19 thing, which brings me to 5G.

Brian Rose: Before we go to 5G, question for you.

David Icke: Go on.

Brian Rose: I’ve been watching Trump’s live conferences every night and he has Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx that come up. Are they aware that this test might not be accurate? Are they part of this or are they just following the numbers? “Oh, you tested, okay. Oh, you tested then that’s a death.” Are they part of this or are they just reacting as medical professionals?

David Icke: You’d have to do serious research on both of them took to answer that question, but this is how it works. You’ve got a pyramid. This is how this cult works. You’ve got a pyramid, and at the top are the inner circle of the cult that are driving this globally. As you come down from the pyramid peak, you’re meeting more and more and more people, but each step down, know less and less and less of what they know. Because the only way that a few can manipulate the world as they do is by fierce compartmentalization, where people only know what they need to know to make their contribution without knowing how their contribution connects with their contribution, and theirs and theirs and theirs. This is to create a very different picture to what they think they are actually part of.

So as you come down… The top of the pyramid absolutely know they’re manipulating, they know it’s a scam. But you’re in the medical profession and you are told, “These are the symptoms. When you see these symptoms, you diagnose COVID-19, when anyone comes into a hospital, you tests for COVID-19, if they die of whatever you put COVID-19 on the death certificate.”

What’s this great line, in and after every tyranny? “I was only following orders.”

This is how it works.

But some nurses and some medical professionals — one that I’m going to come to in a second with 5G — have broken ranks and said, “This is crap. Hey, we’re diagnosing COVID-19 for people at death that have not died from it, and so on. And also we’re being asked to get old people to sign Do Not Resuscitate forms.”

David Icke: So some of them are breaking rank, but most of them won’t. They just carry on and just, you know, they might complain and moan under their breath, but they do it. This is how it works.

So you have this World Health Organization… Who’s the second biggest funder of the world health organization, second only to the United States government? Bill Gates. He owns it. And so this Ted Ross, this guy from Ethiopia, from the Marxist human-rights-destroying government of Ethiopia, who was the health minister of Ethiopia and was caught out three times for covering up cholera epidemics, he’s head of the World Health Organization for no other reason than he’ll do what he’s told. So the World Health Organization is driving this policy, the organization created by the Rockefellers, by the way,

Brian Rose: That is constantly making the wrong calls the last few months…

David Icke: The right call for the cult, the wrong call for humanity. And so this from this World Health Organization, you’re having this policy and this way of doing things coming down and you therefore just follow it. You follow the protocol. And I’ll give you a great example of that in a second when we get to 5G.

Because China imposed that vicious, draconian lockdown and then the numbers started falling, what did that do? It set the precedent in countries that followed. “The way to deal with this like China has, is to have a lockdown and keep people away from each other.” It’s a scam and this cult is orchestrating it.

I put a meme on the internet in the last fortnight and it’s a picture of the earth and it says, “Ruled by psychopaths, run by idiots.” And that dynamic is how it works. You’ve got the psychopaths in the background who are orchestrating it and then you’ve got the clueless, “Who am I? Where am I? What’s going on?” People in politics, et cetera, who are responding to that policy like, “Oh, everyone’s going to die. Oh, we’ve got to lockdown then.” Who are clueless about what’s actually going on.

Brian Rose: Yeah. I don’t feel like Trump and Boris are part of this grand scheme. They look like they’re reacting to a situation and trying to save themselves politically and maybe trying to save people based on those constraints or those beliefs.

David Icke: You look at Boris Johnson, who is as we speak, he’s in hospital. They’ve got him out of the way, really. And it’s amazing, all those people at the press conference every day, COVID-19 lockdown, all got COVID-19 at the same time. I thought it was very strange. Anyway you look at Boris Johnson’s face, he looks like a bewildered lost man because he ain’t calling the shots. He’ll get the blame for it, but he ain’t calling the shots. His advisors are calling the shots. That’s what’s driving it. The shadows are driving the policy.

This is why the same policies are happening in every country because essentially, globally dictated. And Trump has tried to, you know, I have great problems with Trump, but Trump has tried at least publicly to push back against this because they know their own political careers as prime minister and president are going to be absolutely destroyed by this economic Armageddon that these lockdowns have created. Based on what? Fricking computer models and a bloody virus that doesn’t exist and never has been shown to be! So they’ve been pushing back. But look at the pressure. “Mr. Trump, 2 million Americans are going to die if you don’t lock the country down.” Right?

If we come to 5G… It’s funny because the first time I sat here and we chatted, what was it? Was it 2018?

Brian Rose: Two years… Over two years ago.

David Icke: Part of that chat was about my opinion of 5G and some people have started putting those clips out on the internet. Because I pointed out that 5G was a tremendously greater power of electromagnetic energy than we’d ever seen before. It’s not just a little touch on from 4G. 4G is bad enough. 3G’s bad enough. It’s not just a touch on from from 4G. It’s a whole new part of the electromagnetic spectrum, millimeter waves. And immensely more powerful than anything we’ve seen before.

The human body is an electromagnetic field. The brain communicates with the rest of the body and the cells electrically. It processes thought information electrically. We are, on one level, electrical, electromagnetic organisms. Entities. When that electromagnetic field is in balance, we are healthy. When it is in imbalance or disharmony, we get dis-ease, disease, disharmony, which manifest as what we call physical disease and psychological disease. Through the way the processing of information by the brain is affected.

We are now being bombarded 24/7 by electromagnetic, technologically-generated electromagnetic fields and wifi. And in this period of running up to this virus, we’ve had the introduction in more and more places of 5G.

Now, there’s a book called The Invisible Rainbow by a man called Arthur Firstenberg and he has been researching the impact on health of electromagnetic fields technologically generated for a long time. And in this book, he documents that every time we have had a major quote “epidemic,” global epidemic, going back to Spanish flu in 1918 (which had nothing to do with Spain), it came out of military bases. But every time we’ve had this pandemic situation, so often with flu-like symptoms, it has preceded the introduction of another level of power of technologically-generated radiation.

Firstenberg said in 2018, before 5G and before COVID-19, that every single massive increase in technologically-generated radiation impacting on the Earth’s magnetic field, which we’re interacting with all the time, has produced massive problems in terms of health for the human population.

He said that in 2018. In 2019 they introduce 5G, which some of us — and loads of doctors and scientists — who call for it to be stopped because it hasn’t been tested, they admit that, for its impact on psychology and human health.

Brian Rose: Has it had any independent tests?

David Icke: None. The only independent testing it’s had, which has been by truly independent people outside of the telecommunications industry, you’ve seen people say, “This could be disastrous for human health.” And they’ve called for it to be stopped. Doctors, scientists from 41 countries have signed a letter saying, “This has got to be stopped.”

Of course it wasn’t stopped. And the reason that it’s been rolled out without testing, which they’ve on Capitol Hill a senator asked the members of the telecommunications industry — this was last year — “How much testing have you done? How much money have you spent on testing the effects of 5G on human health?”

And they said zero reason. That is because if they had, and that had been publicly published, 5G would never have been allowed.

Brian Rose: The telecom companies don’t want to hurt us with the 5G, not them particularly.

David Icke: We come back to the pyramid. The telecommunications industry is owned by this cult ultimately, because what the telecommunications industry is doing with all this smart technology and satellites, which we’ll get to in a second, beaming 5G at every inch of the earth is absolutely crucial to total human control via artificial intelligence.

In the pyramid of the telecommunications industry, they will be lots of people here who are clueless about the impact. And really wouldn’t really want to look at it because, look at all the dollars available. But when you get to that level of the telecommunications industry, the focal point of control, they absolutely know what it’s going to do. And why? Because they want that done, because they want that effect on humanity. They have the ability to manipulate people psychologically and basically they could do a mass cull with 5G. So what does 5G do? What does 4G do? But 5G even more: it poisons the cells, which get poisoned by technological electromagnetic fields. The cells get poisoned, they release exosomes as a immune response, and they test for COVID-19.

Where was the first Chinese city to introduce 5G just before the virus broke out? Wuhan.

Here’s another scenario that people might just take on board and think about.

And by the way, before I say that, while this has been going on, I know from communications to me and Gaz and Jaymie at DavidIcke.com, I know from all the postings on the internet, not just in Britain, but around the world in America, that while this lockdown has been going on, 5G masts are being rolled out at a very rapid rate. In the same period of this lockdown, something like another 21 towns and cities have been opened in Britain to 5G. 5G is being rolled out all over the world at a very great rate of nods.

Brian Rose: This is a time where everything is supposed to be stopped. And they’re still building towers overnight.

David Icke: Yes. because that’s considered essential work. And to the cult, it is essential because they want 5G everywhere.

At the same time that this is happening (in terms of towers all over the world being rolled out and of course, people are not able to protest because they are isolated from each other and under house arrest, that’s why they’re doing it)

Elon Musk, who is… I wouldn’t call him a psychopath because that’s not enough. This man is a super psychopath. Reason: he knows what this impact is going to be. He is putting, week by week, more and more satellites at low altitudes, beaming 5G at the earth. And he has permission for like tens of thousands already. And he’s just getting towards that goal. What he wants is 42,000. Already with just the ones he’s got up there now, the astronomy community, has been complaining around the world. They can’t see the fricking night sky anymore because of these satellites which are beaming 5G at the earth.

And while this [COVID-19] lockdown has been on, he has been given permission by the federal communications commission — which allowed the rollout to 5G without testing because it’s owned by the cult — he’s been given permission for a million ground antenna in America, which will, through electromagnetic fields, connect with the satellites. Because what they’re creating (I’ve been writing this for decades) they are creating a technological sub-reality of 5G. What they call the “smart grid,” surrounding the world with satellites and pouring this stuff in. Because they’re creating a sub-reality to which the human mind be connected to, via AI. And they’re even giving you a time when this would start to happen, in a serious way: 2030. A year that keeps coming up for everything.

So that’s what is going on.

Brian Rose: And he got this permission during the lockdown.

David Icke: Yes, during the lockdown. Now let’s just look at this. Let’s take a Chinese scenario. But I’ve got to say this first.

5G is a range of frequencies. It’s not one frequency. Now they’re starting here, but they want to go there. And they can already go there and going. There has great implications in the ways that I’m going to describe. If people go to that package for London Real viewers on my website, they’ll see in the line of videos a New York doctor.

This is a New York doctor who so exasperated, he made a video. He just kind of really stepped out of the line out of the box. And he’s been working at a emergency intensive care unit at a hospital in New York. And what he says on this video is, “Look, this is not COVID-19. That’s not what we told it is.”

He says, “We were told –” look at the pyramid, right? And everyone does as they’re told — he said, “We were told to treat people with lung problems that come to us as people who have an infectious disease called COVID-19.”

He said, “That is not what we are seeing.” After the interview, go and see him talk on the video. “This is not what we’re seeing,” he said. He said, “I’ve never seen anything like this in terms of what I’m seeing in the lungs of these people and what these people are suffering and dying from.” This is what he said. “Their lungs look like someone who’s flying at 30,000 feet and the cabin pressure disappears, the oxygen disappears, and they slowly die of lack of oxygen.”

He said, “Another analogy: it’s like the lungs look like something I would expect if you took someone and you put them on the top of Everest with no climatization, and obviously no breathing [apparatus], you would expect their lungs to do that.”

He said, “I don’t know what’s going on, but it’s not COVID-19, it’s not an infectious disease, and I’ve never seen anything like it.”

Now, and this is admitted by the telecommunications industry 5G at 60 gigahertz, which is where they want to take it (and I say, already bloody have, on the quiet) stops the human body and blood [from] absorbing oxygen. If someone is hit by 60 gigahertz frequencies of 5G, they will not be able to absorb enough oxygen. They would just collapse in the street.

Those symptoms, that outcome, is so exactly what this doctor in New York is describing he is seeing but says, “I don’t know what’s going on. Never seen anything like it.”

And you know, let me just bring this around. They have not had enough dead people, despite fixing the figures and getting as many people to die of COVID-19 as possible to justify the fact that it’s this vastly deadly virus. But at the same time, the death figures are basically not going up, of all causes. They’re building morgues. They’re turning football pitches into morgues. They’re doing it in many, many countries. They’re having preparations for lots and lots of dead people.

Huh? What’s going on? They don’t fit. Except, just fixing the figures wouldn’t justify filling those because they’d never do it. And if they’re building all these massive mortuaries, et cetera, and the figures start to go down as they have in China — “Oh, we’re through it,” –they’re gonna look like total prats. So why are they doing it?

Well, I’m not saying this is going to happen, but I’m saying this is something that we should watch for.

The more — this is why they’re doing it now, rolling out all these 5G towers, et cetera, everywhere, the satellites — the more that they expand 5G, the more 5G is going to impact upon the population’s health. And the more it impacts upon the population self, the more they can say it’s caused by COVID-19. And if they start firing out 5G at 60 gigahertz, they’re going to have a lot of people who are going to keel over because they can’t absorb oxygen.

Now, if they did that, they could start filling mortuaries and they could say, “Look, this is the virus, what it’s doing. We must have even more locked down and it must go on and on and on and on”. So we need to watch for that if, given the figures and the numbers we’ve had so far, if people start going down in large numbers, in anywhere in the world where there’s 5G and end up in these mortuaries, we should stop to question. Big time. And put two and two together. Because that happening, on the trajectory of figures so far, would be unexplainable, but not if they’re taking oxygen out of the atmosphere.

And it can be done in a very small area. You can target an old people’s home and you can take the oxygen out with 5G on people who die. And you say, COVID-19. And you know what’s happening? There’s been, you know, what are now called “citizen journalists,” people who go out with their cameras and their phone cameras to film this stuff.

What are they doing while the schools are closed? What they’re doing, while people are locked away, is they’re putting 5G into schools. You know what else they’re putting 5G? Into fricking hospitals. They’re putting 5G everywhere. And so once this is set up, they have the ability to manipulate people psychologically and physically. And where this is all leading, well, part of where it’s all leading, is to the vaccine.

Brian Rose: Now, before we get to the vaccine, there’s hospitals that we’ve seen that are vacant. There are these emergency things that are vacant and some of these curves are, we’re told, are flattening, which means, like you said, they’re not going to be used, which is going to make this all look like a big overreaction, which is gonna make all these lockdown powers be able to easily be reversed.

David Icke: Yeah, exactly. So, the question is, are they going to allow that to happen and just say, “Oh no,”? Because this is the key. This is the scam. When these figures that these Imperial College and this Neil Ferguson prat claimed don’t manifest, what are they going to say? “The lockdown was the reason they didn’t manifest.” So that basically they can’t lose. But they locked down Italy on March the ninth, and the fingers had just gone and gone and got on an up week after week after week after week. Whereas in China that went down like that.

So will they just let it go down and that’s the end of it? Or are they building these massively overreacting morgues et cetera, for a reason? Because you’re absolutely right. We are told by the media — and by the media, I don’t mean journalists by the way, they’ll never be journalists — we’re talking about war zone hospitals. Now, if they start using 60 gigahertz 5G to take out people absorbing oxygen, then they may well be war zone hospitals in that scenario. But as things are, they don’t war zone hospitals. People have been going around all over the world — you’re absolutely right what you say to these war zone hospitals — they’re fricking empty. They’re empty.

One guy went round a hospital in Stoke Mandeville for two hours filming everything. Bloody place was empty! What did they do? Did they, “Well, well done mate. What, why this hospital empty? It’s supposed to be a war zone!” They’ve jailed him for doing that.

And you mentioned it earlier. This is a very important point. We have in this country, a government department, a government censor called Ofcom. Office of Communications. Which is the regulator of British broadcasters.

They have said — and it’s run by a lady called Melanie Dawes —

We need to note these names down, ladies and gentlemen, and when we’re through this at some level through it, these people have to be called to account.

We have a situation where this lady and her organization, which is a government department, has told British broadcasters — and of course they’ve complied spinelessly, as usual — that they will face serious sanctions if they allow any discussion on that television stations and radio stations about any connection between 5G and so-called COVID-19.

The British government, through this other idiot the health secretary Matt Hancock, you know, people are sitting there all over in their houses, 66 million people in this country, “Oh, I sitting in me house and doing as I’m told,” because this guy, you wouldn’t let run a Lego house, Hancock, he’s saying that everyone must do that.

I mean, what are we doing anyway? People like him are now saying to the giants of Silicon Valley, your Zuckerbergs at Facebook, your Brynnes and Pages at Google and your Wachowskis at Google and YouTube, et cetera, that they should ban people who are making a connection between 5G and this COVID-19 crisis.

So that tells you, one: they couldn’t care less about freedom and the right to free debate. Thus they have no right to be in government and no right to be running a broadcast regulator. But it tells you something else. Number two: it tells you that is a link between 5G and this health crisis, COVID-19 as they call it. There is a link. There’s only one reason they don’t want it discussed because there is a link.

And who’s been promoting 5G and the rollout of 5G? Who runs the licenses for 5G? Ofcom. Same woman. So there is a link between 5G and this so-called COVID-19. The situation we’re facing, that’s why they want to shut it down. If you can’t win a debate (and they can’t win this one) then don’t have it. That is the motto of every tyranny in known human history.

Brian Rose: And this is the only thing they’re telling broadcasters not to talk about. They’re not talking about, don’t talk about the vaccines, don’t talk about the this; it’s this specific thing. And they’re going out there. If I was a radio station or television station right now, I’d probably be arrested. We would’ve been shut down today. But we’re not because we’re not governed by them right now.

David Icke: Right now. But I mean they want the censorship to go on and on and on. Because you see, when your conspiracy is control of perception, which means control of behavior… See the control of perception, “there is a virus and it’s dangerous,” has led to behavior of compliance with house arrest. If people realize there is no fricking virus and it’s an total scam, then their likelihood of acquiescing in that way is less because their perception is different. So their behavior is different.

So where does perception come from? It comes from information received. That’s why they want to dominate control of information. And let’s just ask this question: say there’s no connection whatsoever between 5G and this COVID-19 so-called pandemic. Say there’s no connection. What harm is done by discussing whether there is, on a broadcast station? None. So the reason they don’t want it discussed is there is a fricking link.

And the fact that you know, the broadcasters are just you know, “Oh yes, miss, sorry, miss,” shows that they’re next to being useless. It’s websites like mine, it’s London Real and such organizations around the world where the real journalism goes on, and the real information is made available to people. Don’t ask the mainstream to tell you.

The BBC is not a news organization. It’s a government department. What they call journalists are actually civil servants, in truth; they call themselves journalists, they’re not. You look at any situation and the BBC will toe the establishment line and promote nothing but that line and not allow questioning of it every time. BBC is long past the point where it is any use to anyone except the government.

We come around to vaccines.

Brian Rose: First of all, 5G towers in Belfast, Liverpool, Birmingham in the last week have been burned overnight because people are responding. There’s all of this stuff going on in the Facebook groups. What do you think of that? And I know towards the end of this you are going to tell us about next steps for us, but what do you think about that action?

David Icke: It’s not for me to tell anyone what to do because that’s their right to choose. But you look at the situation, and if 5G continues and reaches where they want to take it, human life as we known it is over. I’ve been saying this for so long. “Oh, you’re mad! Davey, that’s mad.” Oh okay. You’re not laughing now are you? So people have to make a decision. You know, I am personally absolutely anti-violence against people. And I don’t see violence against people taking us absolutely anywhere.

If you use violence against people in the name of doing something you believe to be right, then you’re just a mirror of what you are seeking to fight. You know, I have this phrase, “What you fight, you become. What you hate, you become.” But people will have to make their own decisions.

All I will say, and repeat again: if this 5G continues and this rollout continues, that’s it. Over.

So what people decide to do about that is up to them, but it’s very clear that what’s happened is people have been put under house arrest on this false premise. So there’s no gathering, there’s no ability to protest. And so they have free reign to rapidly deploy and expand 5G.

While so many people have had their employment destroyed, have had their businesses destroyed because they are deemed by the government “nonessential,” whereas rapidly deploying 5G towers, with all their destructive and psychological potential, is deemed to be essential work. Now you put that little lot together, and you can see that there is a massive conspiracy going on here to roll out 5G without protest. And that means it ain’t good for humanity.

Elon Musk is this Silicon Valley celebrity. “Oh look, it’s Elon Musk!” He is, like all of these people involved in this, a super psychopath. He should be in jail for the rest of his human life. And I hope they would put him in the same cell as Bill Gates because they deserve each other. He is putting up more and more satellites beaming this desperately destructive 5G at the earth.

When you’re building a technological sub-reality to which every human being is connected via AI connections to the brain, then you have to create a situation where… if you like wifi field on every inch of the planet, the only way you’re going to do that is from space. Every inch of the planet. And that’s what they’re doing. And Elon Musk knows that. And that’s why he’s a psychopath.

Talking of which, we may turn to —

Brian Rose: — vaccines.

David Icke: — Bill Gates —

Brian Rose: And then I want to talk about the psychology of what all this is doing to us.

David Icke: Exactly. So where this is leading is a vaccine, and in that vaccine will be lots of genetic material. Stuff that will trigger poisoning the cells, which will trigger exosomes, which are all the virus. But also in the vaccine will be nanotechnology microchips.

I mentioned a few minutes ago that Elon Musk got permission for a million ground antennae to interact with his satellites. These nano microchips, which are being put into us in many ways, but let’s keep with the vaccines, are well beyond the ability of human sight to see. That’s why they’re nano. And they are known as smart dust. Of course, smart on everything. They’re known as nanobots. They’re known as neuro bots. Lots of different names they give them; smart dust will do.

The idea is to put them in the body and they will act within humans like the ground antennae act with the satellites of Musk. They connect humans to this grid, this technological sub-reality, this AI controlled sub-reality. So we basically become nothing more than computer terminals. That’s the idea.

And I’ll tell you a quick story, which will lead me round to nano microchips in vaccines. In the late 1990s, I was asked to go and see a CIA scientist in California, because he wanted to get out things that were going on, but he couldn’t. And why he couldn’t became very obvious. So I went to see him at his house in Southern California and his family’s there and his children are there and they gave me some food, and we had a long chat that evening. And he wanted to tell me things that were happening because he couldn’t. He said he joined the CIA, he was a scientist because thought he was serving his country. And he said, when he got in, he realized that this conspiracy I’ve been exposing for 30 years was actually happening. That’s why he contacted me.

And he said, “I’m not doing it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I’m not. I’m not doing that. I’m not playing a part in that.” And he walked out. He said next time, next thing he knew, he left home after he walked out and he said, “I’ve got missing time.” He said, “I don’t know what happened after that. The next thing I know after leaving home is I woke up on this medical type bench in this room.”

He was on his own and he’s lying there and he gets his faculties back and he realized there’s something stuck to his chest. So he opens his shirt — and he was opening his shirt and showing me as he was telling me this story — I seriously wasn’t expecting it. I could tell you what happens: as he opened his shirt, on his chest was like a see-through plastic shampoo sachet. And inside was this orangy liquid, orangy golden type liquid.

I’d asked him the question before he did this. Why do you do what you do? I knew what the answer was going to be, but I wanted him to tell me the in his own words, why do you still work for him then you said, because of this in the CIA, they call these patches, someone’s been patched. And what they did in that missing time is they manipulate their bodies. He said he, you know, there were at least a thousand other scientists who were patched at the time. We’re talking late nineties, but 97, something like that. And he said, I am coming around to two microchips and vaccines. And he he said in that missing time, what they do is they manipulate your body to need the drug and the patch to survive how they do it.

But they do it. And he said, “This patch has to be replaced every 72 hours, and if you are not repatched, then you start to die a very unpleasant death.” And he said, “I called their bluff on one occasion to see if they were just scamming me and they weren’t messing.” That’s what happened. So if he doesn’t do and use his expertise to support the CIA in this whole global cult scam and conspiracy, then he’s not repatched.

And he actually said to me, “I’m holding back knowledge that I have that they want and I’m letting them know I am, because I know from other people that’s happened to, that once they think they’ve taken everything they can get from you, they just don’t repatch it. ‘Cause then you can’t go and tell anybody what the hell has been going on.” So he took a lot of guts to talk to me.

Anyway, this is what he also told me. Now remember this is 1997 ish. No one’s talking about nanotechnology. Really. Now it’s in everything, it’s in food! But they weren’t talking about it then in the, you know, general arena. He said, “What they’re doing is they are injecting people with tiny, tiny microchips that you can’t see in vaccination programs.” He told me what these chips were for. And this is like late nineties.

So these vaccines that are promoted by Bill Gates and funded by Bill Gates, like no one else on earth, not least through an organization called GAVI. And Bill Gates and GAVI want to vaccinate everyone. And they want something else: this GAVI organization of Bill Gates has been developing. They want — and this is the name they give — a quantum tattoo on everyone who’s vaccinated so they can digitally tell if you’ve been vaccinated or not.

Now, where this is going is this COVID-19 scam. Eventually the figures will start to drop and they’ll ease the lockdown at some point. But what they’re planning is other waves. And because the lockdown precedent has been set, there won’t be any run-up to lockdown with any other wave. There will be immediate lockdown. This is what it’s all about. And they’re getting people psychologically subservient to that.

And then they will say that if you have the vaccine… And currently there are seven vaccines said to be in the works for COVID-19. Every single one is funded by Bill Gates. This is the same Bill Gates who was involved with his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in Event 201, which was a simulation of a Coronavirus pandemic and how the authorities would react exactly as they have.

Six weeks before the thing came to public attention in China, also running that Event 201 simulation of a Coronavirus pandemic was the world economic forum, which Gates is massively involved in. This is the 1%. And an organization called the John Hopkins University Medical Operation in America. Also there was Johnson&Johnson, one of the ones that’s now developing the vaccine for COVID-19. The Johns Hopkins organization that took part in that simulation, which turned out to be exactly as it’s turned out, also ran a simulation in 2018 along the same lines.

Who is collating the global figures quoted in the media of COVID-19 cases and deaths? The Johns Hopkins operation that was involved in these simulations. The idea is that they’ll say, “if you want to come out of lockdown and you don’t want to keep going into lockdown, then you have got to have the vaccine that we say you have to have, so that you are not a threat to the rest of the community.”

Brian Rose: And that gives you rights. That’s this passport that Bill Gates was talking about.

David Icke: Yes. Bill Gates is one of the most sinister people on planet earth. And by God, think of the competition.

And so you have a situation where (this is where the game is going) that you have this vaccine full of shite to control you and to undermine your health so that we can have more pandemics. Or you can’t mix with the rest of the community, you can’t fly, et cetera. Now, this is the real reason why Gates and GAVI, this vaccine alliance, has develop this quantum tattoo. So that they can tell who’s had the vaccine and who hasn’t. And there will be technology that you pass through, which will pick it up to see if you, say trying to get on a plane, “Oh no, you can’t. You’ve not been vaccinated.”

Brian Rose: Is it like a chip inside of you? 

David Icke: Well yeah, that’d be in simple terms. That’s basically what it will be. Exactly what technology they come up with, we’ll see. But the principle is exactly that.

And when you pass through technology now, at specific points, your temperature’s going to be taken. We’ve got to understand is that the people that run Silicon Valley are lovely people. They care deeply about humanity. So first of all, what they’ve been doing — they’ve just released it, people like Google — is they’re releasing mobile phone tracking data to governments so governments can see if there’s any gathering of people during the lockdown.

Brian Rose: Yeah. They found a bunch of kids who went to a spring break party on the beach, 70 of them, and they tracked them to 40 different States in America. I thought that was illegal to give their data up, but they’re doing it.

David Icke: Oh, once you have the lockdown and you suspend democracy, which is what’s happened and you enter a tyranny that can only be described as fascistic, there are no legalities for humans any more. Because the government does what it likes. And it’s not the politicians, they’re just clueless. It’s the dark suits behind the government that drive it.

So that’s only one step from the microchip, which is where they want to go, whereby they will track you where you were, wherever you go, in real time. And they will say, ongoing, that only this amount can ever gather together because they don’t want mass protest. And they’ll know if you do because there’ll be tracking you.

Now let’s go to China. I’ve been saying in the books and talks for decades that if you want to see what they plan for the West tomorrow, look at China today.

So in China you have a situation (this is where what we’ve just been talking about is planned to go in the West) whereby there are millions of face recognition cameras. The metropolitan police have just introduced face recognition cameras. See in China you’ve got an open tyranny. And so this is what’s happening. In the West, it’s, “Oh no, it’s not a tyranny. We just doing it because it is good, right?” They have to do it slower. But now they’ve suspended democracy. They can do it faster. So that rolling out this 5G for instance.

In China you’ve got millions of face recognition cameras which are constantly tracking the population in real time. You are a number bracket; see George Orwell, see Aldous Huxley.

And I’ve seen documentaries where they’ve sent someone out on the streets of China to see how long it would take to find him. Minutes. Found ya. And what happens is that these face recognition cameras everywhere, all through AI, they’re logging your behavior. And what you do is you get social credits. “You are being a good boy and girl,” if you behave the way the government wants. If you don’t, those credits are taken away.

And when you reach a certain level of credits taken away, then you start to hit consequences. Like there are millions and millions of people in China who, through not behaving as the government wants, are banned from flying or banned from even going on a train. And this is what is planned. It’s total and utter control.

And this COVID-19 scam, hoax, has been designed to create in very fast time the very global centralization of power that that we have been highlighting for 30 years was coming.

And how did I know that? Because if you are willing to put in the hours and the sweat day after day after day and suspend your “that can’t be true mind,” you can uncover this conspiracy. And you can uncover what is planned. Because this is not put together in days or even decades. Question: How did Aldous Huxley with Brave New World in 1932, why was he so bloody accurate on where the world is going now? Why was George Orwell so accurate with his book 1984, published in 1948? When he, like Huxley in his own way, were describing technology like tele-screens; we now call them smart TVs. Although the smart TVs today are nothing like what the tele-screens has meant to be where you are constantly watched in your own home.

How do people like Orwell — Eric Blair is his real name — how did he know this technology was coming when it didn’t exist?

How did a man called Dr. Richard Day, who was an executive of the Rockefeller organization Planned Parenthood — which came out of the eugenics movement — how did he know? I’ve quoted him at length in my books in 1969 that the internet was coming. You look at what this Dr. Richard Day said in a presentation to pediatricians in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 1969 what was going to happen in the world, and it is extraordinary. Not just in theme, in fine detail. One of the things that he told them that night, “We’re going to make boys and girls the same.”

None of this is by accident. It’s all by design. And he described the internet we’re supposed to have been invented in the 1980s. He described it in 1969. He described mass migrations of people into Europe in 1969 that it was coming. And why.

So how do they know this? Because there is a long, planned agenda for humanity leading to a total and utter control through AI in control of the human mind and perception. And it’s going step by step, by step, by step. It’s what I call the totalitarian tiptoe. You go in steps, and each step is promoted as unconnected to the other steps until you get down the line; you look back and you see where all the apparently (but not) unconnected steps have taken you in a very clear and obvious direction.

So if you are an insider like Day was — and by the way before I leave that point, he was an executive of Planned Parenthood, which came out of the eugenics movement and was created by the Rockefeller family — Bill Gates’ father was head of the Planned Parenthood and a supporter of Malthus, the eugenicist. As was, he admits himself, “in my earlier days” (yeah, right) Bill Gates.

These organizations keep coming up again and again in relation to all these different people because they’re all bloody connected. So if you can, if you’re an insider like Day, you know what’s coming, but if you work your bloody ass off to uncover it then you can predict what’s coming.

This is why my books over the last 30 years, as people are now recognizing, have been just extraordinarily prophetic in what’s happening now. Why? Because if there is an agenda for the world and nothing intervenes to stop it, which is the point in my life, trying to make that happen, then it will happen. And in uncovering the agenda and saying, “This is the plan,” you will without an intervention be predicting the future. And the reason my books are so accurate in predicting the future is that they’re just revealing what the plan is.

Now, you know, the Chinese have a word, which means both danger and opportunity. We, ladies and gentlemen of the human race, are now at a point of danger and opportunity. If people go on sitting on their ass and acquiescing, “Woof woof, yes sir,” if people think it’s bad now, whoa. What? They’ve not even started yet.

And I’ve been saying in the last 30 years, to people who’d laughed in my face, “You go and look at your children and your grandchildren in the eye, and you justify to them you doing nothing. Because if you think it’s bad for you, just have some imagination and see the world of total, utter control dystopia that your children and your grandchildren are going to live in.”

And you come and tell me then that you’re not prepared to get off your ass, to stop thinking about consequences. I’ll give you bloody consequences in where we’re going if we do not put aside, “Yeah, but what are the consequences to me?”

What are the consequences of you not doing it?

We have to stop acquiescing to this cult, and let me put it in perspective. We have a health secretary who I see no evidence that he has two brain cells to rub together, and will be secretary of something else eventually, he’s not making the decision. He’s just the front man for the real power in the background, the advisers and such. But Hancock says, “You must do this,” and 66 billion, without even thinking about it, do it. And we sit, and we cook, in the ever-expanding 5G that goes to 60 gigahertz and we can’t fricking breathe! And people are just sitting there, “Well, the government says…”

We are at a pivotal point in history of the human race, literally because there will be no human race as we know it if we don’t get our asses in gear now worldwide. And people have said to me over the years, Brian, “A few people can’t control their world. That’s ridiculous.” They’ve got half the fricking world locked down under house arrest, tiny few people, in a matter of weeks! What do you mean they can’t? They are!

So how long are you going to take it? How long are we going to take it? Of course the next thing they’ll start doing is sorting out the food.

David Icke: What can put people under more dependency than the state controlling food? I’ll tell you why this is going. I’ve said this before, but this is where it’s going. They’re moving eventually into a situation where food as we’ve known it will go. It will be synthetic food. You know, all these attacks on meat and stuff and all these different ways of food, it’s a stepping stone. It’s the totalitarian tiptoe.

What industry has been destroyed as much as any in the world as a result of this lockdown? Restaurants and et cetera. And they’re not meant to exist in the long term. Of course they want to control food, if they control food, they control you. Because if you don’t do what you said, you don’t get any food. This is where we’re going. And ultimately to the AI connection to the human brain, where we won’t even be thinking our own thoughts anymore. AI will be doing our thinking for us.

Brian Rose: Is that through the nanotechnology and vaccines?

David Icke: Yeah, I mean that, but they’re telling us, Brian, this guy, Ray Kurzweil (another bleeding psychopath in in Silicon Valley, a Google executive), he says, by 2030, humans will start to have their brains connected to AI. And these are his words, not mine: “When that happens, AI will do more and more of human thinking until eventually human thinking, as we know it, will be virtually negligible.” That there is words I summarize.

Now we have a guy called Elon Musk. I’d mentioned he was a psychopath, didn’t I? And he came out some years ago (you might remember, I said, “Hey, I could be the end of humanity.” Yeah. Right, you know that) and what does he do? He starts a company called Neuralink to connect the human brain to computers, right?

And he also runs the Space X organization that’s putting satellites up, but he also runs Tesla, Tesla cars, right? And they’re electric cars, right? Electric cars. Why — the British government’s just done it — why are they phasing out petrol cars and diesel cars? Because where they are going is autonomous vehicles, where the computer will decide where you can go. Petrol car, you get in it, you drive where you want to go. When you’re in an autonomous car, you will go only to the limits that the computer will take the car on. Those computers will be encoded so that you go nowhere the government doesn’t want you to go.

And now these autonomous cars, you know, these smart motorways that they’re building in Britain, (they call them smart motorways; it’s very dangerous, killing a lots people, but they don’t care, they’re psychopaths) The reason that they’re building the smart motorways is for autonomous vehicles.

Uber, another Silicon Valley company. It’s losing phenomenal amounts of money in its global taxi business because money, no object. Money, no object. Money was no object for Amazon when it was looted unbelievable amounts of money as it was getting a bigger and bigger monopoly. And of course, as a result of this lockdown, its market share globally is going to be vastly larger with all the businesses destroyed than it was before.

So Uber, its business model is autonomous vehicles, autonomous quote, “taxes.” So all this money’s being pumped in money no object. Doesn’t matter how much you’re losing. And what they’re doing to get that monopoly is they’re destroying taxi businesses all over the world. So they have the monopoly. What has this lockdown done? It’s devastated the taxi business, but not Uber.

And so you can’t have autonomous cars, and petrol cars and diesel cars. So they’re phasing out petrol and diesel on this ludicrous idea that humans are causing climate change, which is another 1% hoax run by computer models out of the same people that are running the computer models of the so-called virus. The autonomous vehicles are run by electricity. So the electric cars “it’s to save the environment,” are merely the stepping stone to electrical autonomous vehicles. And Musk knows that.

I’ve described this society that creating so rapidly now as the Hunger Games society where you’ve got a tiny few, 1% running everything and the rest of the population in servitude and in dependency on the 1%. What is this lockdown around the world done, exactly that. On purpose. That’s why they’ve done it. And in the middle is a police military state to hold that status quo.

Brian Rose: You need to explain what that’s done economically as well. And how that links to the universal basic income. Can see.

David Icke: That Hunger Games society I’ve just described is not possible while vast numbers of the population have independent income. You can’t crash people into this poverty-stricken, deprived masses, which is what the Hunger Games society’s supposed to be. If people have independent income, businesses and stuff like that, cause they’ve got the money not to fall there. So what they’ve done is they’ve destroyed all those businesses and all that employment. Many of them will never open again. And what have they done? They’ve created mass global dependency on the state.

And if you take this state, this state, and this state and this state, and you go to the next level, you have the cult that’s orchestrating the whole fricking thing.

Brian Rose: The stimulus packages. They just passed one in the States, 2 trillion to 6 trillion; now they want to do another one and another one.

David Icke: And what that’s going to do is destroy governments economically. And then what they’re going to say is, “The economic system as we’ve known it, is no longer sustainable. It is no longer possible for it to survive. So what we’re going to do, because we care so deeply about the human race, is to bring in a whole new economic system, which will all be based on a digital currency.” Which I’ve been predicting my book since about 1993.

And everything you do and everything you purchase, A) we will know about. And B) we can decide any time if you can purchase or not. Because if you go into a store now, though again, not as much as a few weeks ago, and you hand over a credit card — digital money — and they try your card and they say, “Sorry won’t take your card, computer won’t take your card.” So okay, I’ll pay cash then. So when there’s no cash, and note (because this virus scam ticks every box for this cult) everything I’ve said they want, that they are just defined by this, what’s happening there is they’re saying money’s dangerous, because you could catch the virus from it. Brackets. Bollocks.

People that used to take cash are not taking cash anymore, “because I might catch the bleeding virus,” right? And you’ve got the people, the company that’s running the ATM actually came out about three, four days ago and said by the end of the summer, cash could be finished because of the virus, right.

Brian Rose: The UK just introduced plastic cash, which probably holds the virus longer.

David Icke: I mean, there’s nothing to do with health. It’s all about control. I mean, it’s just such crap. Anyway.

So when cash has gone and you only have digital money and what it’s planned to be is everything on your microchip. See totalitarian, tiptoe, step, step, step. And they’ve now gone to your phone. They’ve gone from your cash, they’ve gone now from your credit card and they’ve gone to your phone. So now it’s digital phone, everything on the phone. And that phone becomes the microchip at only one step away. Now it’s all in my books in the 90s. And so you go into a store and you pay with your chip or your whatever, and they said, “sorry, computer wouldn’t take your card. Or it won’t take your digital money.” So how are you going to purchase now? You ain’t.

And dissidence of this system — of which I will be one to my last fricking breath — will go off the Christmas card list of the computer very early on. It’s all about total and utter control.

Brian Rose: Which is what they do in China now.

David Icke: Yeah. Yeah. And as I was saying, this Hunger Games society is supposed to be… It is fascism, it is communism, which are different names for the same tyranny, is really centralization of power in the hands of the few. But the real name, although the fascism of the communism is the way it plays out is basically the same. But the way it’s done is different. It’s a technocracy they’re creating. And technocracy — it’s a global technocracy — and technocracies are defined as societies that are controlled by bureaucrats, not elected politicians.

That’s the plan. They’re going. The more they can discredit politicians in the public mind, the more the public will say, “Well, yeah, well, they useless anyway. Yeah, let’s have a technocracy.”

So it’s run by bureaucrats, by scientists, by engineers, by technocrats. All these people in Silicon Valley are technocrats. And already the technocrats of Silicon Valley (and we should not forget Israel either because that’s the second Silicon Valley of the world now, staggering as it may seem. Do your research) the technocrats were already running the world. Most politicians haven’t got a clue what goes on in Silicon Valley, let alone understanding legislating for it.

They’re running it. The Gates is running the whole vaccine operation. They’re running the World Health Organization, you know, and so the technocrats are already taking over. And the more you move into this technological, technocratic society of AI, the technocrats are taking over because the politics become irrelevant.

Now whose grandfather was head of the technocratic party of Canada in the 30s, which was for just such a society? Elon Musk. There’s no way that he’s doing what he’s doing by accident, and he will know what he’s doing. And these people need not celebrating: the Gates’ and the fricking Musks, and the Bezos is another one. And the Brinns and the Pages at Google and the Wachowskis at YouTube. They don’t need celebrating. They need calling out.

They need exposing for what they’re doing, which is building this technocratic nightmare dystopian society based on AI and total censorship of any other form of view or information that is at odds with the official narrative. Which is why Ofcom and Melanie fricking Dawes are banning discussion of the link between 5G and COVID-19 in British broadcasters. And let me say this Brian, let me say this to the broadcasters, let me say this to everybody who’s just accepting this, let me say it to law enforcement:

“Daddy, what were you doing when the global fascist state came in, and the economic system was destroyed and now we have to do everything the state says or we don’t get our pitches every month. What were you doing daddy?”

The population: “I was just sitting there darling.”

Journalists: “I was helping to bring it in darling, by lying to the public.”

Law enforcement: “I was enforcing it, darling.”

All the bloody best with that conversation with your kids and grandkids when you face the fact and the reality of what’s going on. And you know, I’ll say this to law enforcement: there are a lot of intelligent, genuine, decent people in law enforcement, but they’re all at the same time some monumental morons and some serious psychopaths who are loving this now. I mean Derbyshire police is loving it. In extreme imposing these laws, putting black dye in blue lagoon tourist attractions so that people won’t go there, telling my son Jaymie that they’re tracking him because he’s been out with his dog in the middle of fricking nowhere, can’t see anybody, because it’s not essential travel.

Derbyshire police is run by a a chief Constable (what’s his name? Peter Gordon, something like that) who has such extraordinary levels of intelligence that he disconnected the Derby constabulary male voice choir from the police because they wouldn’t take women members, male voice choir. Excuse me, male voice choir? Certain sound? They refused. So he disconnected them. And he has been overseeing Derby police who have been imposing this lockdown in extremes.

I say to the decent, intelligent, genuine police law enforcement people in this country, your children and your grandchildren are going to have to live in the world you are enforcing. Same with the military. “Oh, come in, fight for your country and we’ll let your family back at the barracks in Britain live in total shite accommodation because we care about you.” You’re enforcing laws, not to protect the public, but to protect and enforce the will of a cult that makes psychopaths look like Mother Teresa.

What are you doing?! Look your children in the eye! Look your grandchildren in the eye! And tell me that you’re going to go on enforcing a fascist tyranny that is going to ensnare those kids as much as anyone else’s. Take your uniform off. Leave the force. Now tell me how you feel about what you did before. Now you are subject to what you were doing before.

You can’t appeal to the psychopaths. You can’t appeal to the morons in uniform, but we can appeal to the very large number of decent caring, genuine people in the Lord and law enforcement. What are you doing and forcing fascism. We’re at a point in the road here…

Brian Rose: What do the rest of us do, David? What do we do?

David Icke: It’s not for me to tell people what to do. Okay? It’s for me to point out the consequences of sitting on your ass, letting a handful of psychopaths in idiots — because that’s the dynamic — destroy your future, destroy your livelihood, destroy your kids’ future and your grandkids future. You go on sitting on your ass and that is an absolute gimme.

What have you got to lose? What is there to lose? Most people have lost everything anyway. So what have you got to lose?

I said this before in our chat two weeks ago, but if you are faced with an army coming at you, if you’ve got somewhere to run, you’d likely run. Army symbolic of this fricking cult and all its agencies. But when you end up in a canyon and there’s only one way out and that army’s coming through that way out, well what you’re going to do? There’s nowhere to run. So you stand up. You say, “We not having this, we’re not having this. Do you want me to do this? You want me to do that? Well, I ain’t doing it.”

Because when you’ve got nowhere to run, you’ve got nowhere to lose. And you know what’s happened as a result of this lockdown? Humanity has nowhere to run anymore. So what are you gonna? What are you going to do? Are you just gonna take it? You’re gonna let the tiny few do this to you? Or are you going to say, “I’m not having it.”

And I’ll tell you what I do. I go out whenever I fricking like, right. Whenever I choose, and I don’t go near anybody. Because although I say they’re buying a monumental lie, I respect their right and their belief that they’re in some kind of fricking danger. So I don’t go near them, I don’t want to go near them, you know, I’ll let my own company to a large extent. So what I do is I walk out me house. Don’t see anybody. Get in me car, I’ll be home. I’m gonna drive out into the countryside and I walk. Don’t see anybody, no person, you know, nowhere near me. And then I walk back and get me car to drive home. Then I get out me car and I walked back into my flat. I don’t see anybody now. I’m allowed to do that. According to these psychopaths and idiots once a day in Britain right now, I’ve said to them,

Send me a uniform. I don’t care what fancy dress it is. Send me a dark suit. And if they can explain to me why me doing what I’ve just described 10 times a day is going to harm anyone, even by what I say is your ludicrous criteria, then I’ll stop doing it. But they never will be able to do that because of course it’s total fricking nonsense.

And the fact that it’s nonsense, the fact that going out on your own and away from everybody, if you do it once or 10 times a day doesn’t matter. You’re still not going to harm anybody even by their ludicrous criteria, but you can only go out once. That tells you what this is about. It’s not about health, about control, and it’s about a control agenda that goes back ridiculous amounts of time and is now heading towards its fruition. This is all in my books in great detail. The ancient modern nature of this cause. This is not something that’s new. It’s something that’s now reaching its end game. And 8 billion people, nearly, 66 million in Britain; number of people locking everyone down, tiny. I think I see a way out of this.

Brian Rose: What’s the way, David?

David Icke: Hmm?

Brian Rose: What’s the way out of this? Us choosing to make a decision based on our own knowledge and our own research and our own gut feeling of what’s right?

David Icke: Let me, let me just say this. We got into this fricking mess through acquiescence to power. Most of that power, all of that power is simply our perception that it has power. 66 million, handful… I don’t think it has. So if we got into this mess by acquiescing to the illusion of power, what’s the fricking answer? Ceasing to do so. And then we’ll see where the real power is. And it’s not with the few.

Brian Rose: David, what’s it like to watch 30 years of what you’ve been working on all come to fruition? Prediction, reality in three weeks. What’s it like?

David Icke: I don’t give myself the time to be frustrated because that’s just drains your energy. So I just get on with it. And I see silver linings in every cloud. I’ve been aware, Brian, all the way through this 30 years, as all the laughter and the ridicule and the abuse that it had to get real bad before enough minds were focused on the fact that this world is not like they thought it was. And it’s not run by the forces they thought it was. So I see this not just as a danger — there’s certainly that — I see it as a wonderful opportunity. Because people will be summer course because they’ve allowed themselves. They don’t have to be, they’ve allowed themselves to become software programs. “Press enter people” I call them, who simply have denied themselves the capacity for free thought.

But there are lots of people whose perceptions of the world will have changed in the last three weeks. They will have realized that they can’t just wave away the idea that a few people are running the world to a very malevolent end because they’re watching it unfold in front of their eyes. And we will see in the weeks to come what impact that mass realization of what we’re dealing with and what this world is will have, and its impact upon what people do and how people cease to acquiesce to power. Or the perception of power. Because it’s all it is.

We are in a position here where this could be the turning point when humanity got off its fricking knees.

Brian Rose: Some 7 million people watched our last episode, David, I’m sure tens of millions will watch this. Apparently our last episode is going to be broadcast on a television station in this country and be promoted in a mainstream newspaper with nearly a million circulation.

People are listening. They’re tuning in. Does this give you hope?

David Icke: Oh, of course. And it’s not about me. It’s about the information. It’s about the realization of the reality that we’re experiencing behind the smoke screens and the illusions that were given and told to believe in.

In the old yellow brick road wizard of Oz, they seem to be dealing with an all-powerful force. When they looked behind the curtain, it was an old bloke who had no power at all. And this cult expresses its power by persuading the target population that it has power. Its power is in our acquiescence to that illusion of power. We now have the chance to break the spell, to break the the mind spell and see behind the curtain. And what we’ll find is something that’s not powerful at all once we stop acquiescing into it.

And that’s where I want things to go, but it’s also where I know things can go. Because in the last few weeks, worldwide that spell has been broken. And at the same time this cult has broken cover. It’s walked into the room where we can see it. And you know what’s happened? The fricking door as clicked behind it. And we’re now in a different game.

And I’ll tell you this, I have tracked these people, this cult, for 30 years, full time. And I’ve seen what they do and I’ve seen how they act, and I’ve seen their staggering, shocking levels of psychopathy. And you know what? I don’t fear them one smear because I am more powerful than they are, and they fricking know it. I ain’t come here to fail, and I fricking won’t.

Brian Rose: Why are you more powerful than they are David? Why?

David Icke: Because I have levels of consciousness, and everybody watching this program has their same levels of consciousness if they will only open their minds to it. It’s theirs. It’s their right, their true self. Whereas this cult is so limited in its perception, in its ability to make things happen. You see, what they’ve done because they also limited — I promise you they are so limited — the only way they can control humanity is to put humanity in a smaller box than they’re in. That’s how they’ve done it. And when humanity steps out of the box and realizes its true identity, which is a state of infinite awareness, which these pillocks aren’t, then they’re in a box.

We are expanded consciousness well beyond the box, and they become powerless to that. They have to put us in a smaller box in there and that’s what they’ve done. And they could not do it without it. Once we open our eyes, we open our minds, we open our hearts, the walls of the prison, the walls of the bubble, the walls or the box, whatever you want to talk about, just fade away and we become the true power that we really are all of us. Yes, you Ethel on the checkout, you as well. All of us. And the way they have controlled us is by blocking out that expansion of true self, and locked us a way in a bubble where we perceive everything only through the five senses.

We self identify with labels. We self identify with our life stories, and our race and our sexuality and all that stuff. They’re just experiences and they keep us in the bubble when we think that’s the eye. We’re in the bubble. They’re in a slightly bigger bubble. And so they control.

When we realize the true nature of what we are, which is consciousness, eternal, exploring forever consciousness, having a brief experience called human, and we tap into that infinite creativity, power and open our hearts, and when you open your heart — it’s not just to love, not, “I love you, darling. Saw you down at the disco,” love, I mean real love in its infinite unconditional sense — what you doing is you’re tapping in to a level of consciousness that does not have something, which is the very foundation of human control. It does not have fear.

I am a unique expression of all that is has been and ever can be. I will go on exploring forever, forever. This is just a brief experience. What is there to fear? Nothing.

And when you lose fear, you do what you know to be right without asking the question, which is fear asking the question, “This is what I know I need to do, but what are the consequences?” For me it’s asking about the consequences which is fear. Asking the question that leads to people not doing what they know to be right. Once you open that and you go beyond fear, then you don’t ask about consequences. You just do what you know to be right.

And you know something? This cult is terrified of that. It’s terrified of fearless people because fear is its currency of control. And if people are not fearful, it has lost its currency of control. And that’s why I have more power than they have because you know something? They are consumed by fear and their biggest fear — because it’s over then — is humanity awakening to what the fricking hell is really going on and who is really in control. They can only control by their target population being in ignorance of that. Once we realize that game is over and that’s why I have more powerful power than them and they fricking know it. And all of us have more power from then.

Put aside fear, stop asking about consequences and we’ll see where the real power is. And it’s not with these psychopaths.

Brian Rose: It seems so clear. It seems so obvious what you just said David, but fear paralyzes so many people because they’re worried about all these consequences. From the postage stamp mentality that you’ve been talking about for 30 years. And so there’s all the reasons why they shouldn’t do what they should do and then that stops them. But they are this close to opening it up and saying, “What do you got? You’ve got nothing. I’ve got nothing to be scared of because I am here as an infinite being in infinite consciousness. So bring it.” And then we’ll realize that they have no power.

Ask one question. If you need to fear, we’ll ask it. What are the consequences of me not taking the shit anymore? Okay. Ask another question. What are the consequences of me taking it? And I’ll tell you now, the consequences of taking are infinitely greater than not taking it. And so when people let go of fear, including the fear of death, which freezes so many people, fear of death. There is no death. It’s just a transfer point of attention. That’s what death is. That’s all with infinite awareness. Once you let go of fear, what can stop you, control you, impose its will upon you now? Because it’s done through fear and when you have no fear, it can’t do it. So bring it on. You don’t frighten me and you know something, you never fricking will.

Brian Rose: For some reason, I’m having a flashback to an old episode of star Trek, David, the one with William Shatner, the original ones. And there was this alien entity that was terrorizing the Starship enterprise and it fed off their own hate and fear of each other. And when Captain Kirk realized this at the very last scene, he said, “Oh, that’s what they’re feeding off.” And they all started laughing and they all started being joyful and the entities literally died in front of their eyes and they saw they were these tiny little insignificant insects and they ran away.

Daniel Icke: Well, if people read my books, when I go into the deep level of what’s behind this cult that is so close to the truth of what’s going on, if we go deeper into deeper levels exactly what is going on and the greatest thing apart from fear is they have to divide and rulers. So they have dividers on race and sexuality and political view and all the rest of it.

And if we could just find the peace, to be at peace with others having a different view to us, those fault lines would fall. And we would start to see that whether you are a Jew or a Muslim or a transgender or black, white, whatever, these are just different experiences of the same infinite state of awareness. They’re just different points of attention in the same state of awareness. We are each other.

And the key is you believe what you want to believe. But don’t seek to impose it on any one else. I don’t care what people believe. I don’t care what they think or what their views are. I only care when they seek to impose them on other people. That’s when the problem starts.

So why can’t I sit with a Muslim and a Jew and a Christian and a Hindu and disagree with their belief systems? Because I don’t buy any of them. And yet we just have a friendly chat. No need for conflict, no need for fighting. I don’t agree with you. It’s very interesting what you’re saying. There’s some things there I do resonate with, with a bit of love. I just don’t buy that whole belief system. But anyway, let’s have a cup of tea and a chat. Okay, nice to meet you. Chat again. There’s no need for conflict.

Conflict comes and divide and rule come,s when each of those is trying to impose their belief on the others or me. That’s when the conflict comes. One of the great things that has to happen for us to come together is people have to find peace in other people having different opinions. Because we are expressions of all that is, has been and ever can be.

What, what? What am I saying when I say that we are expressions of all possibility. All possibility. So what the hell are we doing? Insisting that everyone shares a sense of the possible. That’s that, that, that, that we have. We’re dealing with all possibility. We should be celebrating real diversity, not the fricking illusion of it. With awoke. We should be celebrating real diversity and celebrating the uniqueness and the spontaneity and the different ways and angles of seeing everything. We should be celebrating that. So we learned from each other.

But when you think “I am right,” that’s the woke mentality, which is orchestrated by the 1% by the way, that’s why billionaires fund it like Soros I am right? And therefore by definition, Brian, if I am right, you’re saying something different to me. So you must be wrong. And if you’re wrong, what’s it matter? If you don’t have freedom of speech, you’re wrong, right? But when we say everyone has a right to their opinion, everyone has a right to their view and there’s no one who’s all right and there’s no one who’s all wrong, it’s just a matter of degree, when we say that and we’re at peace with it, we can disagree on the way we see the world and be in perfect harmony with each other. Because no matter what our labels and the divisions and the fault lines that are used to divide us, this cult has every single one of us in its gun sight.

Can you not see that now? Hindus are locked down. Christians are locked down, Jews are locked down. Hello!

Let this be the time when we see the fallacy and the farce of allowing ourselves to be divided and ruled by our beliefs and our belief in “I am right and therefore no one else should be able to have a different opinion to me,” because that’s how the cult works. Plays groups off against each other, sets them at war with each other, and if they just looked up, they realize that the same hands are holding all the strings while we fight down here.

Let’s come together, realize what’s going on and where this is going, and cease to be divided and ruled. We’re in this together and we’ll get out of it together.

Brian Rose: My favorite part of our last conversation here three weeks ago was at the very end where you said, “Everyone should make up their own mind and do what they feel.”

David Icke: Exactly.

Brian Rose: And that’s the opposite of what any person with an agenda, any cults, any government, any corporation says they all tell you what to do. “Do this because this is why. Because I am right.” And yet David Icke at the very end says, do what’s in you heart.

David Icke: Do what you feel to be right, do what you know to be right and you will make a unique contribution because that’s what you are, unique contribution to getting out of this. But acquiescence is not an option because acquiescence is how we got here.

Brian Rose: I had a call with someone this week and they said, “What’s David like?”

And I paused and I said, “David is a great man.” And I think you are a great man, David.

David Icke: Well that’s very kind, but we’re all great.

Brian Rose: We are all great.

David Icke: It’s just that most people have forgot. And they think they’re Ethel on the checkout and Bill at the cash and carry. Oh no. That’s just your experience mate. You are all that is, has been, and ever can be. And all that power and all that creativity and all that insight and all that knowing is just waiting for you to open your mind to it, to break out of the bubble of the five sense illusion. And then you’ll realize you ain’t Ethel on the checkout and you ain’t Bill at the cash and carry. And at that point, this world will change in ways that we couldn’t imagine possible.

Brian Rose: I think that’s exactly where we’re going to leave this today. David, I’m going to shake your hand —

David Icke: — and [don’t] you dare give me COVID-19 (that doesn’t exist, that’s symbolic)!

Brian Rose: David, please stay safe. Keep doing what you’re doing. If people want to go find this entire playlist of the doctors, then go to DavidIcke.com. If people want to watch our previous four conversations, they can go to LondonReal.TV and watch all that stuff. Like I said, take care of yourself. Please keep putting these messages out there.

David Icke: I don’t know any other way. They’ll carry me out with me. Still saying it. No one’s going to shut me up.

Brian Rose: Any final thoughts?

David Icke: Well, only that this is just a wonderful opportunity for us to look at the nonsense of how we got here and realized that what we have to do is reverse it, and we’re out of here.

You see people say, “What’s the solutions??” We’re drowning in solutions. And solutions lead to more problems. So it goes on. The greatest way to solve a problem is to remove the cause of it. You know you can find a solution to a problem and then it lead to something else, will lead to another problem. Or you can look at why the problem is happening and you remove the cause. And when you remove the cause of a problem, the problem has to disappear. It has to. Because the cause that’s making the problem is disappeared. Therefore the problem is disappear.

And acquiescence to power, the illusion of power, is how we go here. And this solution is not, you know, “Do this, do that, fight this, fight that,” it’s, “Stop acquiescing to the illusion of power, and stop being told what to do when you know it’s not what you should be doing by the illusion of power.” And then the problem, which is the illusion of power in others, is gone. And the world has changed. Because the world today is a manifestation of acquiescence to power. That’s what it is. Never more extreme than it is now. Remove that cause and the problem disappears. And it will be the cult that will be queuing to mass buy the toilet paper.

Brian Rose: I look forward to that reality, David, until next time. Who knows? It could be sooner than later, but thank you so much. And I want to thank you everybody for watching. And until next time, thanks for another incredible conversation.

David Icke: Cheers, Brian, you’re great. Great interview, mate.

Brian Rose: Thanks David. All right, we’re out. Bye.