Ep.62: High Vibration Heart Interview with Dr. Stephen Sinatra

Robyn:                                      Hey everyone, it’s Robyn Openshaw, and welcome back to Your High-Vibration Life. And today I am extra excited, because one of my heroes and early influences in my work studying the body’s electromagnetic fields and how energies affect absolutely everything in our life is Dr. Steven Sinatra. He is a board-certified cardiologist and an assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine.

But more, he is certified as a bio-energetic psychotherapist, so a man of my own heart, you know that I am a psychotherapist as well and I really believe that our energies have everything to do with our physical health, but also our emotional health and getting unstuck from the negative cycles of our getting emotionally stuck. So Dr. Sinatra is quoted just everywhere and we’ve been trying to get an interview with him for a long time, he is a nutrition and anti-aging specialist, and he integrates psychological, nutraceutical, and electriceutical therapies in his matrix of healing. So we’re going to get into a little bit more about that, and at the end we’ll have him tell us where we can all learn more about him, but he’s the founder of HeartMDInstitute.com and he is really dedicated to promoting public awareness about the whole concept here at our podcast about high-vibrational living and the foods and the practices and the medicine, integrative medicine but high-vibrational medicine.

So he’s a fellow in the American College of Cardiology and the American College of Nutrition. Welcome, Dr. Sinatra.

Dr. Sinatra:                             Well it’s nice to be here Robyn, and thanks so much for that really lovely introduction.

Robyn:                                      Well, I’m excited to have you because I bet you are very familiar with concepts of Einstein and Tesla and the early quantum physicists who talked about how everything is energy, and that the secrets of the universe, Tesla said, are found in energy frequency and vibration. What does that mean to you in your practice of medicine and psychotherapy?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Well it’s correct, everything is energy. In my practice of medicine, I developed a concept of metabolic cardiology, which is really an energy focus where we’re using targeted nutritional supports to drive energy in a preferential direction. And when it comes in to heart disease, which is my specialty, people with heart failure, for example, which I saw all the time day in and day out of my practice, heart failure is simply an energy-starved heart. So one of the best ways of treating heart failure, which my conventional colleagues would do would be to give pharmaceutical drugs. What I used to do was give nutriceutical support to drive ATP in a preferential direction. And I was amazed when so many of my patients improved on CoQ10 and Carnitine and D-Ribose and Magnesium. Because whenever you generate adenosine triphosphate with the energy of life, this supports vital force and whenever you support vital force you’re really supporting life in general.

So one of the best ways that I know of of really improving our Chi energy, our Prana, our Breath of God, the Hebrews and Christians used to call that. Or really vital force is by not only eating healthy but also taking targeted nutritional supplements that drive the ATP.

Robyn:                                      You know, I feel like we are a world that’s been steeped in Newtonian thinking for a very long time, and I’m really excited to see principles of quantum physics making their way into biology and study of medicine, and you’ve been a real leader in that. Can you talk a little bit more about the impact of these quantum physicists on your practice of medicine, and also psychology?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Well you know, I’ve just met so many messengers in my entire life, I just can’t tell you how many I’ve met and they’ve been so instrumental in really aligning me, or say, or getting me on the path more traveled, you know what I mean? We always have decisions in our lifetime, a person is placed in our path for a reason but we may listen to this person, we may not. And in my case, I really think a lot of my life has been programmed. And when I met Tommy Rosa and we wrote the book “Health Revelations from Heaven and Earth,” I realized much of my life was programmed.

So when I met very special people early on, it had a great impact on me. So the interesting thing about being a doctor is it never ends, it never ends. And you’re always learning. The only disparaging part I can say about being a doctor is it may take 40, 50, 60, 70 years to learn and then all of a sudden you’re at the end of your life. So the beauty of my specialty is that I’m always learning, I’m always trying to figure out new aspects of healing people. I bring in new things to the table and energy medicine is just one of the areas where I just feel I have very much to offer.

Robyn:                                      Yeah, you’re always pioneering and I almost laughed when you said that, that you feel like after 40, 50 years you finally have this body of not just academic knowledge, but this life experience and suddenly all the spokes start to connect and things start to come together, and that’s when you have the most to give. I love to spend time with elderly people, like people 80 and 90 because they make all these connections that we don’t. And I see you doing that in your career, tell us about you’re pushing the boundaries into bio-energetic psychotherapy, tell us about that.

Dr. Sinatra:                             Yeah, my first exposure to it was I was in this Gestalt psychotherapy training program after I received my boards in cardiology, it was a two-year program we were actually learning about Fritz Perls on the West Coast. This was in the late ’70s, early ’80s. And that the Harvard Family Institute here in Connecticut, a pack of therapists studied underneath him. So I was in their training program and on the reading list was a book by Alexander Lohan called “Bio Energetics,” and I have to tell you Robyn, I read the book and I absolutely resonated with the message. Here I was, like, my early 30s and Lohan was in his early 70s, and I ended up going to a workshop he was giving in New York City. It was like 80 people in the room, and there was only three Americans in the entire workshop.

And a lot of them were from Europe, South America, China, Australia. And I’m saying to myself, “Oh my gosh, all these people traveled thousands of miles to get here. I just drove two hours, how lucky am I?” And when I studied with Lohan and I learned about bio energetic principles, then I decided to embark on an eight-year training program. So I sort of, now I am a board-certified cardiologist and now I’m going back into training to learn about body-oriented psychotherapy. So for me, it was an incredible journey and it’s still continuing, I have to say.

We live in a computerized age, so not everything is healthy. There are some asynchronous vibrations out there, like a lot of us have cell phones, we have cordless phones, we have computers. And remember, a lot of the vibrations from these “gadgets” are asynchronous, and this can cause bodily harm. So it’s not all good, so it takes clinicians like you and myself to get this message out to people so they really realize that even though we live in a very, very vibrational age, not every vibration is healthy for us. Some are productive, but some can be destructive as well.

Robyn:                                      Yeah, we’ve been talking a lot on the show and have interviewed a few experts on EMF and this huge surge in how many chaotic frequencies that we interact with that make our high, smooth, synchronous vibrations more difficult and what to do about it. And so you’re out there sounding the alarm, and I appreciate that. I think it’s a really important work that we have to do. But talk about what bio energetic psychotherapy is, that’s different from all these other modalities. What does it have to do with Gestalt and what do you do when you work with a patient bio energetically?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Well, bio energetic therapy is actually looking at the energy that’s trapped in the body. I mean, Gestalt is sort of like, “Be here and now, what’s in the present?” And I love the Gestalt side of therapy, I can remember so many times working with clients and being in the program, but what I really resonated with, Robyn, is that as a medical doctor, as a heart specialist, I realized that emotions are actually the biggest factors in really depicting the disease in people.

So going through a bio energetic program, what I learned about is energy blocks. For example, when it comes to heart disease, if there’s an energy block in the diaphragm or in the chest, or for example, I wrote the book “Heartbreak and Heart Disease” about 30 years ago, I was in my early 40s. And I came out of my Gestalt and bio energetic training but I realized even as a young heart specialist in my 40s that heartbreak is an emotion we all experience. However, some of us experience it more than others and it’s a serious coronary risk factor because when we do have heartbreak or profound sadness and we shut off emotions, we shut off tears, we freeze our diaphragm. We don’t breathe fully, for example. Chemical changes can occur in the lung and there’s a chemical called Thromboxane A2 which can cause clotting of blood.

So there’s a lot of pathophysiology that can correlate with our emotions, and for me, when I was a board-certified cardiologist going through a couple of years of Gestalt and then extending into bio energetics, I just felt so joyful in the sense that I was being exposed to different modalities that can absolutely create a lot of healing in the body. And I’ll tell you this, Robyn, one of the things I did as a therapist when I was working with heart patients is just the aspect of sobbing and crying and breathing deeply would be so healing for many of my patients where the aspect of deep sobbing would free up a lot of the rigidity around the heart and the diaphragm and the chest wall. As a heart specialist, I was amazed how profound the emotions can be in the overall network of healing the body.

Robyn:                                      Fascinating, I’m going to get your book “Heartbreak and Heart Disease” because interestingly, one of the questions I wanted to ask you was what having a broken heart or trauma, loss, grief, the things that we all experience in a lifetime, how they affect our physical health. Because everybody’s super preoccupied with their physical health, they just figure that the emotional health thing is something they can’t do anything about unless they go to talk therapy and talk it out.

This is really strange, but I think this will be meaningful to you. I had a lot of trauma a number of years ago, went through a divorce after 20 years, my children were deeply impacted by it. And I, my crier broke, and for six years I did not cry once. Went through a lot of hard things, wanted to cry, felt sadness as someone was telling me a story, did not cry one time in six years.

And then I had just a layperson who had studied Brad Nelson’s Emotion Code, she said, “I need to do some work on you.” And two years ago, she went off by herself, she wasn’t even with me and she did some work on me and she said, “So I did some work on you and I did this and that and the other thing.” And I’ll tell you what, for the last two years I have been crying and I absolutely agree with you that it’s a release, it’s a catharsis, it’s getting those stuck negative emotions moving through. And I’m glad I can cry, I didn’t know how important crying was until I didn’t do it for six years. And now, it’s not like I cry all the time, it’s like I cry when crying is needed. Obviously our body needs it, right?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Oh yeah, I just had the universal chill when you were talking, meaning that the agents attempt to tell me that it’s the truth. Crying, Robyn, has just saved your life, I can tell you that. Remember as young children we would hear the message, “Stop crying or I’ll give you something to cry about?”

Robyn:                                      Oh, I was told that many, many times. That was my childhood.

Dr. Sinatra:                             Yeah, that was my childhood as well, and a lot of us as adults have inculcated that feeling into our bodies, we heard it from our parents and stuff like that. And yet, it really is good to cry, becoming a certified bio energetic psychotherapist, I realized the importance of the involuntary, and that’s the key Robyn, it’s the involuntary sobbing where you’re breathing deeply, you’re crying, you’re emitting emotion, it hurts to cry. And even the tears, scientifically we’ve determined that tears contain a lot of endorphins. So even the tears coming is freeing up a lot of chemical messengers in our body.

So when you told me your story, I completely resonated with it because crying and going and working with that person, that therapist, has literally saved your life. I cannot tell you how many people I have seen who have blocked sadness in their lives who have had full-blown heart attacks. So when I hear your story, I feel a lot of comfort knowing this because once you can get through the deep sadness and live through the sadness and experience the tears and the crying, it’s absolutely healing for the body. Absolutely healing.

Robyn:                                      Wow, I got chills when you said, “That has saved your life,” and when you connect that to heart attacks. I hope that that impresses the listener, that our emotions are signals and go with them, feel them, go there. Can you…

Dr. Sinatra:                             Oh, you have to. It’s so important. When I graduated medical school, Robyn, it was 1972 and I never saw a woman in the coronary care unit, so when I graduated I thought that women didn’t get coronary artery disease, I thought women didn’t get heart attacks because I never saw a woman, they were always full of men. And then in the ’80s I started to see more and more men, I was Chief of Cardiology at my institution, and then in the ’90s when more and more women were working in the workplace in the corporate world, half the coronary care units were full. And then in the year 2000 I wrote my book “Heart Sense for Women” because it was amazing, I was just seeing more and more women with heart disease. And it occurred to me, you have to be like the woman, act like the man and cry like a dog… There were so many issues around women where in the workplace they would shut off their crying, shut off their tears, become more like a man, they were working like a dog. And they were multitasking at the same time.

I can’t tell you how many women I saw who were shuffling kids through school, were going through a divorce, taking care of sick parents, working in the corporate world, shutting off their feelings and yet ended up with hypertension, cardiac arrhythmias, chest pain, even full-blown heart attacks. So I really worry about women in the workplace today because when they become more like a man then they develop a male-oriented disease which is heart disease, it’s like the red badge of courage. So it’s important for us to get this message out: It’s perfectly okay for women to work in the workplace, I love to see it, but again, a woman’s greatest gift in warding off disease or blocking off heart disease is her softness. And in her softness and in her tears, if she becomes more like a male and becomes more hard in the sense where she shuts off her emotions, because I’ve run workshops, Gestalt and bio energetic workshops where when women cry, they network with one another. They release emotions, they discharge a lot of hormones in their body.

But when I worked with men and when we used to measure urinary catecholamines or urinary adrenaline, it was amazing that men who did not cry had the highest levels of adrenaline in their bodies. Highest levels of noradrenaline, had the most heart disease, the most hypertension, the most cardiac pain. And it was just, we reported that in the medical literature and what it all boils down to, men who don’t cry get heart disease. I mean that’s just incredible. So I’m glad we had this conversation, because women now are facing that, so remember I have no problem with women in the workplace, but a woman if she becomes like a male, she can develop a male-oriented disease, which is heart disease. So she needs to honor her softness. And remember this: A woman must, must honor her intuition. Because what happens in the workplace when the woman becomes more and more left-brained, she shuts off this gift that she has, this natural intuition, and that is another situation where she can invite heart disease into her life because intuition, I believe, is one of the greatest assets women have over men.

Robyn:                                      Wow, I’m having so many interesting awarenesses here. I think this is really important, ladies, because we lead with our heart and we bring a lot to the world. And if the world were run by only men and there weren’t any women, everybody’d be dead. And that’s not that men don’t bring their greatness too, but there’s yin and a yang there and both are important. I’m having all this personal awareness because I was raised with six brothers and I was told later my mother only wanted brothers, and she also had six brothers and wasn’t a wanted daughter, they just wanted boys.

So my mother valued stoicism, and if I cried I got sent to my room and got smacked on the butt on my way out of the room and so I laugh but I really should cry because you’re telling us that our emotions are at the root of our physical issues as well. Is there more evidence, what more evidence, I want to come back to what is intuition and what that means energetically, I will come back to that question. But what more evidence is there that these stuck negative emotions are at least some of the roots of our physical diseases?

Dr. Sinatra:                             You now, I mentioned “Heartbreak and Heart Disease.” As a heart specialist, I’m privy to high cholesterol and high blood pressure and high blood sugars and all these risk factors, but they are nothing when it compares to the emotional blocks we have. Emotionality rules the heart, I can say that with all my heart as a board-certified cardiologist and as a psychotherapist, that when it comes to heart disease, our emotions are very, very key in not only creating illness in the body, but once we get the idea that emotions can cause problems, then we can see that emotions can take away problems. And that’s why supportive psychotherapy, working with therapists and doing the work and, in your case for example, when you met with that therapist and you started crying, you literally healed your body.

So that’s why I had that “Aha” moment with you, because in your particular situation all your childhood heartbreaks, that you weren’t a boy, you were a girl. You stuffed your emotions and now you met somebody and now you got into the crying, so you released all the heartbreaks you had as a child, and now you can go on in your life, full-blown and really teaching others about your journey, which is really the journey for all of us. We all have the same journey.

Robyn:                                      I’m just having light bulbs going off all over the place, and we have to heal from these traumas to be able to move forward but also on the positive side, I have found that now that my crier isn’t busted anymore, I have done videos and Chad here with me, who runs my podcast and he also is our amazing filmmaker, we’ve done videos where I start talking about something that’s close to my heart and I start to cry as I do the video, and then I say, “Okay Chad, let’s just do it again. Let me see if I can do this without the crying.”

One time I did the video three times and I cried each time because I was talking about a story that was near and dear to my heart about some suffering in one of my children. And finally I was like, “Okay, you know what, use one of those.” And it was one of the most impactful videos I’ve done, and I’ve learned, I have in meetings with my 22 employees or in a meeting one-on-one with one of them, I have found my emotions close to the surface and spilling over. And I only find good things, I only find good things in my connection to others when I let those flow. And I think it’s so 1970s that we think that if a woman is expressing her emotions that are close to the surface, they’re not stuffed as deep as our male counterpart’s might be, that we no longer face the criticism of, “You’re using emotion to manipulate.” Or, “You’re being too much of a girl.” We’re done with that, let’s be done with that. I think you would agree?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Yeah, I would agree, but I would also say this. There’s always a sweet spot, for many of us our emotions are the truth, in other words our tears are the truth. Not for everybody, sometimes tears can be used, we can manipulate tears and stuff like that. But for most of us, in the moment of deep sadness, and we all have deep sadness. It comes from the roots of our childhood. But for many of us, tears are the truth. And I can tell you from being a doctor for more than four decades, the emotions are so powerful when it comes to the heart, and look, the opposite of heartbreak is love. I have a slide when I lecture on high vibrational living, I show a slide of my dog, she’s a Chow, and Robyn I absolutely fell in love with this dog.

I’ve had dogs for years, but this one Chow, she got who I was. I had a spiritual connection to this dog, and when I would hug this dog, I would have this immense joy in my body. And I’ve always felt that when I was around her that she was healing me. So much so, for ten years, she actually lived 15 years, but for ten years I would bring her into my office when I saw patients. And you know when you’re a medical doctor, and you create a lot of healing for patients, they love you, they adore you, they hug you, and it’s a wonderful feeling. However, sometimes you had angry patients and sometimes patients will take their anger out on you, despite the fact you’re trying to do the best job you can. And I’ll never forget, when I had patients who I couldn’t fulfill their expectations and they would sort of draw on my energy. So the next patient, I would have an energy loss in-between patients where I could not be as good for the next patient because I got assaulted by a patient.

When I realized when I had my Chow in my office with me, and I would just put my hand on her fur, I would catch her vibration and her vibration is all I needed to go on to the next patient and discharge all the negativity I had from the one before. It took me years of psychotherapy to realize that, but the problem with us human beings is that we’re all intermingled with each other’s energy field. Remember the last time you sat in a movie theater and you sat next to somebody who was having some anger, and all of a sudden you didn’t realize, you were trying to realize why you felt a little bit uncomfortable? Because our energy field is displaced from our body and we can feel the energetic vibrations of our fellow human beings.

So I have to tell you for me as a physician, having a dog in the office was absolutely not only healing for my patients, but very, very healing for me as well.

Robyn:                                      I love that, and you’ve actually said a lot there. You’ve alluded to the power of negative vibrations from other people who are in those low-frequency states of fear or anger, being probably the lowest. We have to pick, I pick up my kitty, I’m blessed to work from home and I pick up my kitty and I hold her and very much the same, very powerful, peaceful, calming healing frequencies because of that energy exchange because we adore each other, because that pure love is just so strong. And then when I’m around someone who’s really intensely angry or taking it out on me or whatever, sometimes I’ll just go lie outside in the grass and just be in contact with earth and grass and getting sun on my skin. Talk about that…

Dr. Sinatra:                             Oh gosh, the earth thing, grounding, Robyn you’re really getting to all my greatest interests and discoveries. I met Clint [inaudible 00:27:48] about 15 years ago at a cardiology conference, and when he told me about grounding I absolutely resonated with it, and that’s what I lectured on in Las Vegas a couple of days ago at the [inaudible 00:28:01], I lectured on the beneficial aspects of earthing and grounding. But I have to tell you, Mother Earth has an energy, we call it the Schumann Effect. It’s about 7.83 hertz, but whenever you lay on the grass or walk barefoot on grass or on concrete or… I live in Florida about half the year and I walk the beach almost every morning I can, and when you take in the energy of Mother Earth, the human energy, it literally gets displayed throughout all our energy circuits and we have the K1 point in the foot that connects with all our meridians in our body.

And when you take in this natural earth energy, this vibrational energy, it does enormous things for the body. It does incredible healing things, it thins our blood, it regulates our autonomic nervous system, it helps to regulate cortisol. It support heart rate variability. And we’ve published a lot of these papers, so one of the most primitive and easiest ways of healing the body is just putting your bare feet on the ground. Years ago I would tell my patients, “If you think you’re having a heart attack, call 911 and chew a couple of Aspirins.” Now I tell them, “If you think you’re having a heart attack, do that but if you’re waiting for the ambulance, just go outside and put your bare feet on Mother Earth.” Because that itself can help to dislodge or penetrate a clot in our heart that is causing a heart attack.

In our experiments on grounding, we showed that simple grounding to the vibration of the earth can thin the blood 270% in a period of within 45 minutes, so grounding to the earth is absolutely healing for the body.

Robyn:                                      Fantastic. In my work with people I say, “Get as much of your body in contact with the earth as you can after something traumatic happens, and while you’re there take some deep breaths and get your skin in contact with sun and go into gratitude meditation. On your way out, drink a glass of water.” So talk about the impact of, so grounding, how about charging, what does being in the sun do for us? Why do we feel so amazing when we’re in the sun?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Well sun is good, a lot of people are sun-phobic because of skin cancer and stuff like that, and they use sun blocks. By the way, a lot of sun blocks cause skin cancer, I’m an example of it because I do a lot of fishing in the southern waters. But I have to tell you, the sun is very, very healthy, but we need the sun. Some people that do sun gazing for example, I did a little sun gazing on my websites and instructed people how to do it. It’s very, very healing. Being in the sunlight for a half hour a day is absolutely healing, the problem is we’ve become very, very sun phobic. But sunlight is amazing, it’s just very, very helpful to you. Not only does sunlight invigorate Vitamin D, because whenever we hit sunlight in our skin, it combines with the cholesterol on our skin to form Vitamin D3 which is absolutely healing for the body.

And a lot of people, Robyn, have low Vitamin D levels, I have to tell you. I used to test Vitamin D levels all the time and whether you’re battling cancer, you need a Vitamin D level of over 90, a lot of people have Vitamin D levels in the 20s and 30s, which is very, very low. I’d like to see a minimum Vitamin D3 level of at least 60, and I’d rather push it into the 70s. So not only do I recommend daylight sunlight for people but I also recommend daily 4 to 5,000 units of Vitamin D as well.

Robyn:                                      Yeah, I mean you’re contradicting the whole sunscreen industry and what dermatologists were saying ten years ago, even some dermatologists are saying, “Okay I think we do need sun exposure.” For the reason you said, we need the Vitamin D. You said it combines with cholesterol, forms Vitamin D3 on the skin. So glad that you’ve talked about it. You know, in our conversation you’ve said the word “resonate” three times. You’ve said, “I resonate with…”

So I wonder if you could talk about that, because I think it’s a word that’s in the popular vernacular or lexicon, both “vibe” and “resonate” are words that people talk about that you and I have really made it a lot of our life’s work to talk about what does it mean to resonate? What do we resonate with, and what does that mean?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Well for me, when you resonate with something, not only is it the truth, but it can be absolutely healing. “Resonate” is a very, very strong word, but for me when I resonate with something, for me it means truth. It’s like what I talked about before, when you sit next to a person in a movie theater who’s seething with anger, for example. When you resonate with that toxic energy, yeah it’s the truth and you’re feeling that, what I call, it’s an asynchronous or it’s a chaotic vibration. So whenever vibrations are not synchronous, or if they are chaotic, you may develop a resonance. And that resonance, we would like the resonance to be synchronous with our body, but I’ll tell you the electromagnetic resonances that you talked about before, cordless phones, cellular phones, these discordant energies are asynchronous. They can cause profound changes in the body.

What people need to realize that everything is vibration in the earth, everything vibrates. We live in an electrical universe where everything is interconnected. And as a heart specialist, I see that all the time. I can tell you this, even take peoples’ teeth for example. Every tooth has a different meridian on the body, and as a heart specialist I can tell you I would see people with what we call arrhythmia or PBCs who had a discordance or there would have been meridians interrupted because they had certain teeth that were pulled.

Human beings are not just flesh and blood, we are vibrational beings and in the universe we live in… The best vibration, we discussed it, is love. And I’ll tell you this, if people can love more, whether it’s a love of religion, a love of your cat, a love of the dog, a love of the spouse, a love of a child, a love of a job. In other words, when you really feel the vibration of what you’re doing, when you fully feel in sync with what you’re doing, for me that increases the voltage of cells. And whenever you increase the voltage of cells, you’re creating the vital force in those cells.

And I’ll tell you, Robyn, I don’t see people with heart disease who have vibration in their cells, or have a lot of love in their cells. I just don’t see it. And I ask fellow cardiologists this question, “Have you ever seen people in love with an animal, a job, a spouse, an entity, have you ever seen people in pure love who’ve developed a heart attack?” And the more cardiologists I ask this question and they say, “You know something? I haven’t.”

That doesn’t mean that every person with a heart attack is devoid of love, but to me it suggests that not living authentically or not living in the state of high vibrational love could be a risk factor for heart disease.

Robyn:                                      You’ve said that in medical school you learned about the micro voltage of cells, and traditional medical research and practice hasn’t done as much with this as they should, but you have said that it’s been shown that diseased cells have far lower micro voltage than healthy cells. Tell me about that.

Dr. Sinatra:                             Right, yeah. I actually learned that my senior year of college when we were looking at protoplasm, and it really struck me that cells with a lower voltage can be sicker cells, and then in cancer we know that the micro voltage of cells drops into the 20s and 30s. And then there was a report by MIT researchers that I saw recently which I really resonated with, that’s that word again. That the word “resonance” means the truth, you know? And these MIT researchers looked at red blood cells in patients with blood diseases like Malaria, and what they found was that the voltage of these cells was diminished by about 20 millivolts. And red blood cells live about 120 days in the body, but when the voltage drops they’ll live less.

It’s really important for us to realize that we are electrical beings, so if you can improve the voltage of your cells. Now I think love will make our cells vibrate, that’s energetically, but you can also improve the voltage of your cells by taking Coenzyme Q10 for example, Ribose, D Ribose, Magnesium, turning on ATP, Adenosine Triphosphate, the energy of life. And whenever you add these nutritional components to help to broaden the energetic aspect of our cells where the vibration does increase, well that increases health as well.

So you know, when I always talk about health to patients, there’s emotional health, there’s vibrational health, there’s nutritional health. So if you can bring all these aspects to the table, now you can create a being, for example, that can use all these modalities, whether it’s nutritional, vibrational, energetic, emotional, spiritual energies. Wherever they are, they all fit into the matrix of healing.

Robyn:                                      Just to repeat that for the listener, if you were wanting to know what the three supplements are to increase voltage in your cells, CoQ10, D-Ribose, and Magnesium. It would be fun for any of us listening to get those four supplements and see what happens, take it for 30 days and see if you notice a difference. Can you give us three or four actionables, simple things that a regular person can do to increase the voltage in our cells? Which absolutely makes us higher vibration people.

Dr. Sinatra:                             That’s a great question, and I will say this, there are certain things people can do to increase their vibration. Let me give you the simplest one that I learned at a yoga ashram. Being a heart specialist, I work with a lot of what we call “heart rate variability,” it’s the beat-to-beat analysis of your heart. And you want more variation between the beats, the more variation, the healthier your heartbeats are. In other words, we don’t want a rigid heartbeat going like… At the same cadence all the time. You want variability between those heartbeats because the more variability, the more health you have.

So it was amazing, I had my heart rate variability apparatus, I was at a yoga ashram, I was teaching down there in the Bahamas. I go down there every year just to spend a week, and I was doing heart rate variability analysis on some of the students, and then I did it on the yogis. And what I found was that the yogis had this incredible heart rate variability and every day we were doing alternate nostril breathing with our meditation and stuff like that, so this is an amazing story but I was meeting with a heart rate variability specialist in New Jersey when I was leaving the yoga ashram down at Nashua. So I flew in, I rented a car, and then I got lost. And I was an hour late for my appointment because she had this specialized equipment that I was interested in, far beyond my equipment about heart rate variability.

And she said to me, “Your heart rate variability is very disturbed.” Because she had the monster on me. “Can you do anything right now to improve it?” I said, “You know, I’m sorry I was an hour late, I got lost, I’ve been traveling all day. I’m under stress, let me do alternate nostril breathing.” So I started the breathing to the count of four in one nostril, to the count of eight. I was switching back and forth, and immediately, immediately Robyn, my heart rate variability became normalized.

And then when she printed out the print for me, it was an instantaneous “Aha” moment where I realized that when I was breathing in the alternative nostril breathing, my heart rate variability is the truth, so it totally calmed down my body so my autonomic nervous system and my parasympathetic nervous system were now balanced. So when you ask me four things, I would tell your listeners, because I saw this with the science right in front of me, I was hooked up to a monitor. In fact, I should probably write this up in a journal as a case study. But when you ask me what you can do to improve the situation right now at this very moment, I would say do alternative nostril breathing is number one. Because it’s amazing.

Robyn:                                      Alright, so let’s a get a little bit technical about it. The funny thing is I learned that type of Prana yoga, or whatever it’s called, from a Hindu monk at an ashram also, and it involves almost violent, not violent, but just really forceful exhaling while covering up one nostril. Do you have anything more to add to that?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Well, yeah. In other words, you were doing a more advanced, you were doing Bhastrika I believe, where you’re breathing out on the exhale and you’re… You’re breathing out and your diaphragm is going out at the same time. That’s another form of breathing that yogis do, but the alternative nostril breathing is very simple, Robyn. If you take your fourth finger of your right hand and put it on your nostril, you’re just breathing through your right nostril to the count of four, like so… Hold it, now breathe out to the count of eight, switch nostrils. So you’re breathing out to the count of eight… Seven, eight.

Now breathe in through the same nostril to the count of four… Hold it, and out through the other nostril to a count of eight. And then in through that same nostril to the count of four, out through the other nostril in the count of eight. So that’s very simple alternative nostril breathing, doesn’t require any stress, any work. It’s not like the fourth exhalation, that’s another form of breathing, a more advanced form of breathing. But alternative nostril breathing absolutely regulates heart rate variability. Seeing my tracing was all the proof I needed, and it balances your autonomic nervous system.

Robyn:                                      Fascinating, I’m totally going to give this a try. So variability of heart rate, really normalizing your heart and getting that variability going with this alternative nostril breathing. What else you got?

Dr. Sinatra:                             I think, we talked about grounding, I think grounding is one of the best ways of balancing an autonomic nervous system that’s on high charge, for example. We talked about crying, I think crying is one of the best ways of releasing all the internalized heartbreak we all have. So when we cry, we won’t let the heartbreak lead to heart disease. Have you ever cried, or have you ever laughed so much that you cried?

Robyn:                                      It’s the best, it’s the best feeling ever.

Dr. Sinatra:                             Laughing releases endorphins, and when people can laugh so hard they actually can have a crying mechanism elicited, and it’s, again, it’s the body’s internal mechanism of healing itself. The body has an internal wisdom, the body knows how to heal itself. So if you’re doing an involuntary motion like laughing, then all of a sudden you start crying and you don’t know why, it doesn’t matter why. The body has the intrinsic knowledge, the body knows how to heal itself, so the body will do things spontaneously. So whenever you have a spontaneous movement in the body, well then it’s just healing.

Robyn:                                      So intriguing, lack of forgiveness they have found, which is a big part of their neurofeedback training, is in the way of our growth and our happiness, our living in the Alpha waves. What do you think about that?

Dr. Sinatra:                             Oh, it’s absolutely true. Everything you said I completely resonated with. Forgiveness is key, when you keep yourself on the hook, when you cannot forgive, I think when one human being can forgive another, that puts us on a very, very high vibration. What blocks our vibration and our true aliveness is the inability to forgive other people, when we hold grudges. When you hold a grudge, you’re keeping yourself on the hook for heart disease. Forgiveness will heal, I got a chill on that one, the angels are letting me know we’re both on the right track.

Whenever you can forgive somebody, you’re actually healing your own body. Forgiveness is one of the keys to life and our feeling of vitality. And whenever you forgive, it’s the truth, it’s the truth. Your truth, my truth.

Robyn:                                      You know, you’re an international treasure Dr. Sinatra, we’re going to put your books and many of these pearls of wisdom that we’ve been so grateful to get from you in this interview, I’m very, very grateful. We’ll put them in the show notes, everyone. And Dr. Sinatra, tell everyone where they can find you, where they can learn more.

Dr. Sinatra:                             You know, I have a lot of websites. The website that I’m really exited about now is Vervana, V-E-R-V-A-N-A.com. I used to make vitamins and minerals, for years I’ve worked with healthy directions and my DrSinatra.com is, that’s a commercial website, that’s a lot of vitamins and minerals. But because of the GMO situation and all the preservatives and insecticides and pesticides and foods, I’m going back to Greek mythology but in the days of ancient Greece when those Olympic runners were running, they took in bee pollen, the energy from the sun for example. And it was very, very healing. And what I want to do is try to get back to nature again and bring very simple foods like olive oil and pasta sauces and high-protein pastas, even honey for example, from the honey bee.

Just bring these natural foods back where we can just increase the vibration of the cells in our bodies. My Vervana website is my food business, my DrSinatra.com is my vitamins, and then I have HeartMDInstitute.com, which is just purely informational. Now I just feel that I’m blessed in my life because I just feel like I’m always learning, I’m bringing all these modalities to the table, my quest is that I hope that this interview that you and I are doing, and a lot of my other teachings and stuff like that is, I just hope we can bring a lot of healing to our fellow human beings.

Robyn:                                      Me too, and we went deep here on a lot of psychosocial and grounding and emotional issues, and I wanted to. But Dr. Sinatra is also an expert in nutrition and all of the aspects that relate to living a higher vibration life. I hope you and I do a lecture tour someday, that’s definitely been a big part of my career is lecture tours. So I just want to thank you so much for taking time out of your very busy day, I know that you’re in high demand, but thank you so much for the amazing things that you shared with us today Dr. Sinatra.

Dr. Sinatra:           Alright, bye-bye, thanks so much.