What happened when my root-canal teeth were pulled

Can you stand one more update related to traditional dentistry versus holistic (biological) practices? It’s the last chapter in the story I told you in August.

I told you that when I had my two root-canal teeth extracted, I paid a few hundred dollars for an analysis of what bacteria were found in them. I just got my results back from the lab in Colorado.

Dr. Wall (my biological dentist in Bountiful, Utah) told me BOTH my root-canal teeth he pulled were failing. Since then, I’ve talked to half a dozen other dentists and people who have extensive experience with root canals.

You would think that, with all the things I do right, I would have better luck than that. I confess to being more than a little disappointed that a bone graft and so much dental work would be required, notwithstanding my earlier years of eating lots of candy, ice cream, and diet soda.

But did you know that the EXPECTED time that a root canal lasts is a max of 10 years? That’s right—endodontists KNOW that their procedure has a very limited life. My brother Dave was in an ATV accident 10 years ago, where his teeth planted in the steering wheel and killed ten of them. He had root canals on all, and guess what.

Yep, they’re all failing.

Not that those pleomorphic organisms trapped in an anaerobic environment, in a dead organ, are really contained during that 10 years anyway. They’re not! “Failing” just means that there are visible, discernible signs of rampant infection and decay. (Obviously it didn’t get that way overnight!)

In my case, the signs were mild tooth sensitivity, and a blister on the gums covering the tooth. A raging, itchy rash on my trunk and arms that came and went for 2.5 months, until I realized it was related to my teeth.

Have you ever thought about the fact that the tooth is an organ? The biological dentist knows this. It is part of an interconnected meridian in the body. When it dies—or is injured and we kill it dead and leave it there—we are truly fossilizing a dead organism in our living mouth. And we think this won’t cause problems!

So, my sample came back saying that 10 bacteria were detected in the tooth sample. None of them were in the “active” concentration, where the microorganism is alive and well and not being effectively attacked by my immune system.

But two were in the “bright” concentration, which means “heavy concentration of the microorganism.”

They were:

Campylobacter rectus
Prevotella melaninogenica

I’m not panicking about this. Fact is, everybody has candida, everybody has cancer, most people probably have strep and even MRSA micro-organisms too. Everybody has many yeasts, molds, fungi, viruses, bacteria, and the toxic waste byproducts of those critters, in our blood and gut and organs.

Believe it or not, candida can actually have valid functions in the human body. In proportion, in tiny amounts in a teeming, healthy ecosystem, it’s not a problem.

The problem is when those baddies get out of hand. When the good guys in the body, like macrophages and healthy micro-organisms, are overcome (by antibiotics! GMO-frankenfoods! Sugar feeding yeast and fungus!) and the baddies get out of control.

Killing tissues / organs such as your teeth, then trapping the bacteria in the teeth, deprived of oxygen, makes the baddies become super-psychos. That’s a gross oversimplification, but a google search on those two bacteria reveal that my own two breeds of baddies cause heart attacks, impaired immune response, and…..genital tract infections!


It’s weird to be missing two teeth. But I’m glad the super-psychos are gone.

Dr. Wall had offered me an antibiotic the day of my surgery, since he knows the baddies are now out, and running around. I said no thanks, that I wanted to help my body manage it. And it did. Every time I think of this, I send a gratitude message inward, thanking my body for heroic immune function during a rough patch!

For two weeks after the surgery, I didn’t feel great. Not sick or anything, just like my immune system was straining. Like it was for the few months between the root-canal “failure” and actually having the teeth out. I just didn’t feel like myself. I did my workouts, but they were tough.

Then I went to my Body Talk practitioner, Ellen. Learn about it at bodytalksystem.com. I have resisted “energy work” for years. I still love things that are evidence-based, so I gravitate towards things mostly easily proven.

Body Talk uses EFT, muscle testing, and more to listen to the body and shift its energies for clearing and release through shifts in various systems. The results show up physically, in relationships, in emotions, and in well being.

I’m not the world’s most metaphysical person, even if I understand there’s a mind-body-spirit connection. (I just don’t trust human beings to be able to decode something that sophisticated. It always seemed kind of…..unknowable.)

But my friend Wendy had been nagging me to go try it out, for years. Her children had phenomenal results, utterly life changing for their whole family. And my amazing employee Amanda felt the same way, and repeatedly told me she wanted me to go see Ellen.

I went, with my rather notoriously skeptical (but committedly open-minded) attitude.

I’ve been several times now. And the results are undeniable. I won’t get into a detailing of ALL of my results. Too much for this blog.

But after my oral surgery, plus two weeks of feeling like I was struggling, Ellen told me I had 48 microorganisms ranging my body since the teeth were pulled.

And she did her voodoo on me. I’m not kidding when I tell you that you have to be OPEN MINDED to receive and accept this kind of work.

And I left there completely WELL again. I mean, I never felt, for one minute, like I had for 3 months prior to that. Shocking. I didn’t even EXPECT that from the session. I just noticed the next morning that I felt like myself for the first time since the blister appeared on my gums and the rashes started. I have not had one minute, since then, of the old feeling of being only 80%. I have felt only 100% healthy and energetic.

So, it’s too good not to share, if you’re open to some mind-body connection-energy work. If you’re in Utah County, or Boise, Ellen can be reached at 801-669-1745.

And Dr. Sean Ulm in Lindon, and Dr. Judson Wall in Bountiful, are my holistic dentists.

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  1. I just finished another session at Dr. Wendell Robertson’s office this last Tuesday. 5 and a half hours later but it was a whole section of teeth. He told me that on one tooth, where a crown had been placed a number of years ago, had bacteria under the gumline and most dentists would just ignore that. He is a great dentist. he has now done two sections of my teeth. i need to get the upper sections done eventually. He painstakingly gets the bad out and builds up the teeth. Lifetime guarantee on them. He is a holistic dentist i trust. He also took the metal out of that section of my teeth. Yay. And in a very safe way.

  2. Robyn, what are you going to replace those two teeth with? Zirconium implant? Also you said you had a bone graft. What did you use? My holistic dentist advises there are 3 options, cadaver, bovine and synthetic. All 3 creep me out, but he does recommend either cadaver or bovine. I wonder what the person died of and what the cow ate. Also what do you recommend for filling cavities? I understand composite is really too soft for biting areas. I have a lot to deal with in my mouth unfortunately. Thanks.

    1. hi, i’m im in your same situation and trying to research all my options…. can you share your experience and your choice/decision in the end? this was in 2012? thank you, nyc

  3. Hi Robyn,
    My husband had a toxic root canaled tooth removed a couple of years ago, but he still has the gaping space and just a plastic tooth insert that he wears to sleep. We just haven’t figured out what to do yet, because do not want him to have metal in his mouth, but we do not like the plastic either– and we don’t like the short lifespan of implants. With the zirconium implant, is there a titanium rod placed into the jaw onto which the implant is placed? Do you know the life expectancy of such an implant? Our holistic dentist is not using this technology yet, although he knows about it somwehat.

  4. Patti, I have eleven composite fillings in my mouth and they have been good to me so far. They were done by a holistic dentist who says they should last 15 years. I think the material is a bit weaker than amalgram, but it is much safer so I will take that. I don’t bite into hard things and have trouble biting things like whole almonds– I can almost feel that I could hurt my fillings and therefore am careful.

  5. Robyn, I just wanted to say thanks for sharing your story! Toxic root canals are unfortunately so overlooked even in the community of holistic-minded people. My Dad is a Biological Dentist in MD and he does this DNA test routinely and every time it comes back with some bacteria. It’s unbelievable what is showing up! I had 2 Titanium implants put in 10 years ago due to a bad accident which caused me to lose both teeth. Fortunately my Dad didn’t do root canals on them because he was already aware of the dangers, but I did have titanium implants put in because there wasn’t much word about zirconium back then. Recently I had one of the implants tested using the preliminary DNA testing (which tests for less bacteria than the post-extraction test) and it came back with 5 bacteria around it! So now I’m considering having them replaced with either zirconium implants or a partial. Well anyway, thanks again Robyn!! Best of luck to you with all of your dental work!

  6. Renee, is it possible to let me know who your dad is, since I live in MD and would love to find a good bio dentist. I’ve got a mess going on here, and my 22 yr. old daughter already has 3 root canals with clearly wrongly placed crowns. One has fallen off twice in a year with permanent cement. We need a great dentist!

    Robyn, great story. I’m horrified now to think how much bacteria I likely have from the nightmare that is my mouth.

  7. Where were you 2 weeks ago when I impulsively sought out an endodontist to give me my first root canal… wasn’t even emergency. Just thought I was doing a good thing. Spent almost two thousand dollars by the time I paid for a cat scan, the root canal, the temporary filling, the permanant filling.. and then, the tooth broke .. and another $300 for a temporary patch up. And the tooth still has feeling and is sensitive. I feel like I am in the vortex of a money pit.

  8. Dr. Wall pulled 11 (yes I said 11) root canalled teeth of mine. It was an 8 hour surgery to remove those teeth, remove all the mercury and build up the remaining teeth. Unfortunately for me it was tooooo late the remaining teeth all abcessed and had to be pulled. Please, please, please do not have a root canal done. It will ruin your health, cost you lots of money and you will lose the tooth anyway in the end. P. S. Dr Wall is amazing!!!!

    1. Not sure if you will get this but I am really wanting to communicate with you. I have 11 root canals also that need to come out….I am 55. Years of health problems. Have you felt better since Dr. Wall took them out? Any information would be helpful. Thank you! Madonna Castle, IA

    2. Heyo Cheryl Meyers!

      I live near Bountiful and am considering Dr. Wall’s services on a root canal. May I ask how much an extraction costs? Also, did you take the antibiotics after the procedure? What would you recommend? Thank you!

  9. ugh… great.. i JUST had the joy of chipping my tooth in a li’l accident, which required a root canal and cap. so now i have a stub tooth rooted out w/a cap glued on… I’m not looking forward to seeing what happens in a few years under that nasty cap. the dentist did a great job, but after reading about your story and the baddies in dead teeth, i’m hoping that in a quick few years, they’ll have some stem cell tech to regrow/replace my missing tooth!! i better ask my dentist about the mid and long term consequences i have to look forward to with my tooth.

    thx for sharing your story. hey! blog posts always are better w/pics… why didn’t you post any pics on this post??? hahaha 😉

  10. Hi Robyn, Is there such a thing as porcelain implants? I thought I saw that on your site somewhere? I plan on having my recent root canals taken out soon! Glad you are still talking about all of this. Also, I have a book I have wanted you to read for about 2 years now, where would I send it? Thanks, Christa

  11. Robin, have you had an silver (mercury) amalgams removed at all? I have 4 to be removed and am considering doing this now before trying to get pregnant in 2-3 months. I had a miscarriage at 20 weeks last month and I have no answers other than it was likely my hypothyroidism. I also have a bad root canal tooth that needs to be pulled. Wondering if all this work (even with a careful biological dentist) makes sense to do now? Mercury will still get into my system and I’ve read can take a year to get out of your system with a focused detox plan

  12. Oh my! I had a 20 year old root canal in an upper molar that was stuffed with amalgam explode in pain and had it pulled in February. I, too, have had a horrible itchy scaly thing inside my ear and back of my scalp on that same side for – get this – FIVE years. No steroids, creams, shampoos would touch it. Had the tooth pulled and had a week of vomiting and vertigo. But now the hole has healed, the itchy patches are almost gone on my scalp and my ear canal finally stopped itching. I have only one week of smoothies in me so I am new at this. And I am 260 lbs. so I have a long way to go. My question is this: I have an appointment for a titanium screw implant. I can’t chew over on that side so something needs to be done. I was initially attracted to smoothies because I just can’t handle chewing meals anymore. My dentist says titanium does not harm the body by leaching like amalgam does. Does any smart person out there have wisdom to share on titanium implants?

  13. Fascinating story! I’m eagerly awaiting my root canals to be pulled. Dentists all say they look fine ok X-rays but head pains, a swollen neck and painful lymph nodes are telling me otherwise. The most disconcerting of all of this, are the seemingly “unrelated” symptoms I’ve been getting sense my tooth problems really kicked in… Such as tingling and partial numbness on the left side of my face, head and now even my lower extremities! I have to admit though, you really started to lose me at the end when discussing “energy work”.

    1. Steven,
      Energy Work, Energy Medicine is the medicine of the future.
      I encourage you to keep an open mind.

      More will be revealed as the years unfold.
      Stay tuned!

  14. Hi, Loved the article since it sounds like the Hell and tooth agony I am immersed in.. Did you end up getting implants? How do you feel now.. I recently 6 weeks ago had two root canals done due to abcess.. I feel like death I have bags under my eyes I didnt think could be possible.. Today some man in the thrift store stopped me.. ” You look like a high school friend of Mine.. But it couldnt be so I am 65.. ” ugh ugh ugh ugh.. I have been in a living hell since he did these root canals.. I wish I would ofkept the infection and took my chances on abcess tooth death then how I feel now.. constant nausia, no energy. complete exhaustion, depression, weird metal taste in mouth, weird tingling sensations that move around between teeth.. heat on face.. achy body.. I really feel almost suicidal.. All joking aside.. I am no wimp.. but this is living hell.. how long did you live with the root canaled teeth before extracting them? Did you get implants? How do you feel now.. Please respond to me.. I am in dire condition.. and I dont get much sympathy from friends as they think it’s just a tooth..

    I was use to running 4 miles a day I know my body as soon as the schmuch killed my teeth.. I feel half dead too. PLEASE HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

  15. Robyn
    Thanks for your story, BTW you are misinformed that the teeth start failing after 10 years. When infected teeth are given the root canal treatment, it’s impossible to kill all the infection in the root. The infection starts from day 1. Read The Roots of Disease by Drs. Kulacz and Levy. The way to recover quickly after they are removed is to take large amounts of vitamin C. That’s why you feel out of it and sick when you are carrying the bacteria around for years – it cancels much of the vitamin C in your blood, leaving you weaker and more prone to infection and heart disease.

  16. I have three RC teeth, 1 titanium implant, and 1 missing tooth. The missing tooth came about when a dentist tried doing a filling on my upper left second molar and clipped one of the nerves. I had sensitivity to hot and cold but only on the side where the nerve was. So for weeks my dentist kept telling me to wait it out. This could have gone on for months. I went to my Uncle who is a DDS and he tried replacing the filling thinking it just needed to be adjusted and he saw the clipped nerve. He immediately tried doing the root canal but didn’t think he could complete it because the location and complexity. Two days later he sent me to an endo and for 2.5 hours he tried to fill one canal that went inward. He reluctantly told me to have it pulled. 1.5 hours later with an oral surgeon it came out.

    Hopefully this is for the best, but posts like this really have me thinking. I have 2 RCT that are 8-10 years and crown wise could use some TLC. At this point knowing what I know now about RCT I would avoid it if possible. In certain circumstances dental implants aren’t feasible do to lack of function since you need to extract the tooth and wait months for it to heal and secondly cosmetic since not many people want a gaping hole for their front teeth. Also money and compatibility play a roll. An implant can range from $1500-$5000 easily and that usually doesn’t include extraction, abutment, crown, or the possibility of a bone graph or sinus lift.

    You can also go with Zirconium but they are usually more expensive, less doctors are trained to implant them, they are said to be not as durable. BUT if money is no problem there are some huge pros for them. Their restorative margin is at gum level making it easy to clean. They are white so the gum stays pink. One piece designs eliminates gingival concerns. Zirconium don’t have the allergy concerns titanium does.

    With this being said RCT or extraction and/or Implants (any kind) are a big time decision and very costly.

  17. Hey Robyn and everyone who had their root canaled teeth pulled, can you please tell me if the peridonatal ligament was also removed and the bone underneath cleansed? Is only pulling the tooth our sufficient? I am in delhi, india, and i can’t find any holisitc dentists around. My mother is suffering a serious autoimmune disease and we would like to get all her root canaled teeth pulled out and my internet search tells me that only pulling out the teeth is not enough and that the peridontal ligament also has to be removed. Was it removed in your case? waiting for your reply.

    1. Delhi has holistic dentists (at least the mercury free ones…I live in Bangalore and I’m planning to get all 3 RC teeth removed. I think I will get this done from an oral surgeon. Yes, Periodontal ligament should be removed, the socket should be cleaned out and surrounding bone too should be scraped clean to ensure no bacteria is left there…check this with your oral surgeon.

      1. Have you pulled your rootcanal tooth?I,’m from Bangalore and have swelling of glands,Pain and sensation on my head,swollen eyes and blurred vision after RC.Did you find a Dentist in Bangalore?I wish to remo ve it ASAP. Waiting for your reply

        1. Yes, I did. I pulled them. And now my doc Dr. Michelle Jorgenson says she has new methods to safely avoid me ever having a root canal again. American Fork, Utah.

          1. Robyn, I’ve noticed you’ve mentioned doctors from Bountiful, Lindon, and now AF. I live in Ogden and am leaning towards Dr. Wall. Is there a reason for the different doctors? Also, is your energy practitioner you mentioned above looking or new patrons? I can’t find her or her practice online. Thank you!

          2. I had a root canal 33 years ago. Started having pain in the toothache and gums. Also having numbness and tingling in gums, lip into nose. I started oil pulling with coconut oil when it hurts. The pain goes away in minutes. I started having this problem months ago when I was given levoquin antibiotic. I have been sick every couple of months for almost 2 years. No one can tell me why. Going to have the tooth pulled. Scared because it is the top front tooth. Not sure what avenue to chose and what will work in my budget.

    2. Yes, Vikas, you are correct.
      Have you found out any more information? Hope your mother has found the right dentist and is feeling better.

      All the best,

  18. Please Help! I live in the NYC area and would like to know of a good biological dentist that can safely remove my root canal. My health is declining rapidly.

  19. Thank you so much for your story. I have a root canal extraction scheduled for October and I want to be ready for it. Does Ellen do any long distance (phone or Skype) healing?

  20. Hi Robyn, the fact that I have come across your post now only means that I’m now getting ready to remove my root canal teeth (3 of them). I dont have any holistic dentist and I will have to figure out and work with a regular one. Anyway your blog has given me the additional reassurance that what I plan to do is the right thing….Thank You. Hope you figured out a solution or simply comfortable with missing teeth. I will look for your latest posts now…

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  22. Eight days ago, I had a tooth pulled that had a root canal done on it many years back. The extraction was very traumatic as the dentist had a difficult time removing the roots. He was able to remove one of them but left the other because he said it was impacted in the bone and he would do more damage trying to get it out. I ended up with a dry socket and I am still experiencing swelling and pain in the jaw and temple that wakes me up at night. Also feel like my glands in my neck are swollen. He put me on an antibiotic on the 5th day after the extraction. I am kicking myself for not using the biological dentist I’ve seen in the past. Is this normal for the pain and swelling to last this long and should I be concerned that he left one of the root there?

  23. Hello, I have congestive heart failure on both sides and at stage 4. My prognosis is dim and I’m lucky to still be here because 20% make to 18 months. 18 months for me was last February. However, since Feb. I’ve not been doing well and was in the hospital for a mild heart attack last month. Someone mentioned about removing my root canal. I’ve been reading up on it. Do you know any good oral surgeons in the Seattle Area? And exactly what are you talking about when you say your friend did a voodoo thing on you, would you elaborate on this and let me know if there is anyone available here as well. Thank you very much

  24. Where did you get your tooth analyzed?? I am trying to find a lab or someplace that will check my root canal tooth… I want to get it extracted and then checked to see what kinda of bacteria show up. Thanks!

  25. Robyn,
    I know this is awhile after you posted, but I have to thank you so much for this. 5 years ago, I got a route canal due to tooth trauma and thought it would last much longer than it really did. About two weeks ago, I was told that I had an infection in the tooth and it would have to be pulled. The worst part is that it’s my front tooth and I was really worried. After doing LOTS of research about extractions and bridges (finding out about the types of bridges like Maryland bridge which i think is best, but what would you recommend), I found your blog and it really helped calm me down. In fact, now I believe that it’s actually a GOOD idea and I don’t think I’ll ever get another route canal again. Thanks!

    1. Hey Amanda,

      I am in the same boat as you! I am 32 yrs old and have been incredibly ill with migraines every day and autoimmune issues since 23. Lost everything in my life because I’ve been totally debilitated.

      Since researching the dangers of root canals, i decided to remove mine that i got in high school and replace with a zirconium implant. Not an easy call since its a prime front tooth!! But it could be making me sick… and will only worsen over time, so its better to do it now while I’m young and can generate bone for an implant and heal versus later after my immune system is totally destroyed.

      Almost 2 wks ago i had it pulled by a bio dentist with ozone therapy, prf and bone graft (used my own jaw bone). It is the tooth next to one of the main from teeth and i am freaking out about what is worse… an infected root canal potentially slowly killing me or if the dental implant is placed improperly leaving spacing etc or if it fails later in life due to bone loss. Unfortunately i won’t know what its going to look like for another 6 months. I pray it looks natural and aligns with my smile!!

      What i will say for everyone is that I’ve had numerous x rays done on this tooth. All showed nothing in terms of a visible infection. However, when the dentist pulled it, low and behold there was a an active draining infection, too small to show on an xray. Could this have been what crashed my body 10yrs ago? Who knows.

      But just to prepare everyone, you may not feel this overwhelming sense of immediate greatness that others have reported. I haven’t felt well and I’m approaching the 2 week mark. This is expected though, since lots of deadly toxic bacteria are released not to mention the trauma of surgery and anesthesia on the body. In a way, i think the more of a problem the tooth was actually causing your body, the more you will feel that post surgery. My body has been struggling for years and has done pretty darn well with this even if i haven’t felt wonderful.

      Big decision, folks. It comes down to a choice of the lesser evil. What’s worse? An infected root canal (which they all are) wreaking havoc on your body? Or dealing with possible implant related drama potentially for the rest of your life? Time will tell on what the implant will look lile and what the tooth removal will improve health wise for me, but at least I know now what I’ve prevented especially with a visible infection.

  26. I just want to say how beautiful this story is… I will share it and share it… please also look up some ayuvedic healing and diet for after toxic root canal teeth are pulled… apple cider vinegar (highly dilute and organic only w the mother***) lots of oral health after and before … maybe some charcoal brushing or if organic coconut husk charcoal use as supplement form …
    To pull out toxins

    1. ​G​ood afternoon​, ​Thank you for commenting on our blog! When Robyn says “a failed root canal,” she means one that is causing you problems such as pain, tenderness ​when biting, swelling of the gum​s​​ among other things. Since we are not dentists here at greensmoothiegirl, please see your dentist if you think you are having dental problems.

      Robyn recommends seeing a biological or holistic dentist. ​http://greensmoothiegirl.com/?s=root+canal

  27. I am grateful to hear of your experience with your tooth and the research you’ve done about …..life expectancy of a root canal-tooth. I am having my first adult molar pulled tomorrow because of infection. I had some sensitivity and put clove essential oil on it……..i had sensitivity when using my waterpic……but not much pain at all. I had it checked by dentist. It was xrayed and they didn’t see much but on exam- his probe went far below gum line and pus came out. I did start an antibiotic……….it was a foreign experience for me to go to a pharmacy and pick up a prescription……..it is unusual for me to see doctors………..I had problems with my teeth (8 years ago I had 2 root canals). Now I understand why it may be better to just get the tooth pulled in the first place because #1-they don’t last long and #2 they are expensive. Thanks for your insight. As for energy healing and that kind of work……….I understand all of that…………..I do that work myself. Thank you again for this post.

  28. Found it useful from http://www.oil pulling.org.


    This is peculiar since there were no cases of adverse effects of OP on gums. In fact it was found to be effective in reducing the swelling of gums.

    After reading the above,I feel oil pulling has cured and eliminated the toxic tooth.As I’m still finding a Dentist In Bangalore.I tried oil pulling last week and then all my root canal issues peaked up.I felt someone plucking the tooth without anesthesia each time I walk jump or shake my head.So then I stopped oil pulling and syptoms reduced with swollen face glands ,neck and back pain, temple andjaw bone pain,nerve pain in my left part of my head.These symptoms come d go after my root canal.One year back they removed my buried wisdom tooth.but the pain didn’t elapse.So after oil pulling yesterday and today.There’s 70% less pain.Feeling fresh d relaxed.Swelling haz gone all-over with mild sensations.I feel great as before.Though I intuitively feel this dead tooth will come out.Will continue to detox d oil pull and in the meantime find a Dentist too.

    Thanks for this enlightening website.

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