Flouride: It’s a poison. Not a cavity preventer.

Because we have the annual IONIZER group buy going on, I have the utterly infuriating subject of WATER QUALITY on my mind. In particular, chlorine and fluoride. Can we just talk a little about fluoride?

The Nazis fed concentration camp victims fluoride because it is well known to sterilize people and make them docile. Former FDA scientist Dr. Robert Carton said, “Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century, if not of all time.” It’s an ingredient in Prozac, and sarin nerve gas, too.

As an element, fluorine is a highly toxic and corrosive gas. Fluorine combines with minerals as “fluoride.” Dr. William Hirzy of the FDA said: “…if it goes into the air, it’s a pollutant. If it goes into the local water, it’s pollution. But if [we] pour it in our drinking water, it’s no longer a pollutant. All of a sudden like magic it’s a beneficial public health measure.”

Is it? More than 500 peer-reviewed studies show that at the low concentrations found in our water (1 part per million), fluoride causes cancer, brain damage, and—read this carefully—the brown teeth of “dental fluorosis.”

Fluoride in water binds with aluminum (in cooking pans, cans, and other sources), which does terrible damage and causes Alzheimer’s disease.

In Ohio, the regional poison center says that a tube of toothpaste has enough fluoride to kill a 25-pound child.

The vast majority of dentists buy it hook, line and sinker!

They will repeat what they are told in dental school and in their ongoing professional literature. They will defend the decision of the ADA to support fluoridation and administration of toxic fluoride pills. But dental school provides no training in toxicology, the nervous system, health and disease, or nutrition. Dentists know teeth, and the ADA has bought into a few very sketchy, very old studies that supposedly showed drinking chemicals to have an anti-cavity effect. (You can prove anything you want to, depending on who pays for the studies!)

Almost all other first-world nations ban or do not use fluoride. My point isn’t to denigrate dentists. It’s to point out that you should look to them for what they’re an expert in—and not things they are NOT expert in.

Dr. E.H. Bronner, Albert Einstein’s nephew, was a research chemist, and these are some of his comments:

“Fluoridation of water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide…Even in small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found….Sodium fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies…to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth…This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable by the human body, whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridated water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble. The body refuses to assimilate it.”

He says, “…laboratory experimentation…and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving of promoting ‘dental health,’ fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth, before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates other very grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it….that any so-called ‘doctors’ would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable….Sodium fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: instant and complete extermination of rats.””

Let’s get it OUT of our water. Use an R.O. system to filter your water. I have trained myself to ALWAYS have a re-useable bottle of filtered, alkaline water in my purse, so I’m never forced to drink from a drinking fountain at the gym, church, shopping, etc.

I live in one of the few counties in the U.S. to stand strong against forced medication, administered via the water supply. That’s mostly thanks to the repeated efforts of Ken and Rae Howard, founders of our health food stores, The Good Earth. Props to them!

And, I understand we have a highly educated HOLISTIC dentist here in Utah Valley. If you live near here, you can get your amalgam fillings removed, and get fluoride-free treatment, and non-toxic root-canal alternatives, from Dr. Wendell Robertson in south county.

Dr. Garon Larson in Alpine, who posts here now and then, is a passionate advocate for a plant-based diet, not only in his own life, but in his practice as well, so that’s another dental practice to support for other reasons. Of course I love Dr. Michelle Jorgenson, one of those chosen for GreenSmoothieGirl Makeover, in American Fork. She teaches her patients about the importance of eating a whole-foods, plant-based, alkaline diet….because acids are so destructive to dental health.

Let me mention briefly that amalgam fillings contain mercury, which crack easily, off-gas and cross the blood-brain barrier to poison the brain. And root canals cause a tremendous amount of disease, and if you are suffering with an unknown malady, you may want to look at whether infection and chemicals implanted by root canals are at “root of the problem” (sorry, bad pun). More about those two issues this week.

31 thoughts on “Flouride: It’s a poison. Not a cavity preventer.

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  1. I came across this post and thought I would comment. I have a 16-year-old-son with moderate autism. Over the past couple of months, I have been reflecting on how up to a certain age – somewhere between 5 and 7 – he was able to draw pictures that we immediately knew what they were or to clearly write words, but then…something happened and that skill was gone. (He was diagnosed with autism at almost 4 yo.) Because of behavioral issues, it was difficult to brush his teeth early on, but we were finally able to do it. He had amalgam caps — in spite of my reservations when he was about 5– and within days pulled the majority, if not all, of them out. All these years, when we would brush his teeth, he is unable to understand the concept of spitting. In spite of my concerns to his dentist, I was “reassured” that there wasn’t a problem. “Just use a pea-size application.” Around Thanksgiving, I began going more whole foods here at home and the issue of him swallowing fluoride started bugging me again. We have since switched to Tom’s and won’t go back to fluoride. Now…to figure out how to undo the damage.

  2. We are supposed to believe your unsupported opinion on the benefits vs. risks of fluoridated dental treatments and water when you can’t even spell “Flouride” [sic] correctly? Albert Einsteins nephew….LOL give me a break. I bet you don’t vaccinate your children either. Nutjobs like you keep the world interesting I suppose. Opposition in all things, right?

    1. Why are we in the western world not always hearing about kids who die because they were not vaccinated?
      And no, small pox is not eradicated, that turned out to be a very premature statement by the WHO.
      While just because my father is an epidemiologist and former Medical Officer of Health. does not make my opinion carry much weight, But I will advise as he did that you read the book ‘confessions of a Medical Heretic’. there is much good medicine out there and alot of scams too, all done by the same Big Pharma companies. they have ‘interlocking’ boards of directors and they are greedy bean counters, not scientists or people who care about you. In fact they say the world is over populated and they want you dead! We are considered ‘useless eaters’, and i find it distasteful that I do agree with them in many cases.

  3. Robyn,

    First of all I want to apologize for offending you. It was not my intention to take this to a personal level. Rather, I was disagreeing with your stance on this issue.

    I dont agree with excuses made by irresponsible or dishonest companies, especially when they twist the truth or use science as a shield to try and cover their butts. I don’t agree that drugs are the answer to health, but they have saved millions of lives by preventing or helping to cure disease. Most of us are alive because of them, and most people take that for granted nowadays. I personally take a more holistic and preventive view to medicine.

    I just wanted to throw in my two cents that there is a difference between safe levels and dangerous levels of chemicals. Its been proven again and again, and not just by pharmaceutical companies. Moderation and caution are the key, which I think we do agree on.

    1. JR, cool. But, (1) who determines what “safe” levels are, and how do we accept that? I think it’s Randall Fitzgerald in the 100 Year Lie who writes of how you can test one chemical in your body, then another, but in many cases, the combination is anywhere from dangerous to lethal. What do we do about 80,000 chemicals now in our environment, and they’re developing thousands more all the time, and we can’t remove them? And (2), I’m a fan of moderation in all GOOD things—I’m not a fan of moderation in arsenic, or PCB’s, or mercury, or sodium fluoride, or any number of toxic elements. I want NONE of them, rather than a moderate amount of them.

      I do believe the medical profession has its place. I always say that an M.D. saved my life in a situation where no herb or diet would have done the trick (in the rupture of an ectopic pregnancy when I was 28). Glad they were there when my daughter was pushed off the top of a slide and broker her arm too.

      Don’t know that I agree that millions of lives have been saved by drugs or that any of them are “curing disease.” Help me with examples on that? Drugs aren’t designed to cure–just mask symptoms.

  4. I have to disagree with your stance on this. Like so many things (tylenol, iron, sugar in your diet, even water) there are safe levels, and there are dangerous levels. In human toxicology, lesson #1 is “the dose makes the poison”.
    “The Nazis fed concentration camp victims fluoride because it is well known to sterilize people and make them docile. Former FDA scientist Dr. Robert Carton said, “Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century, if not of all time.” It’s an ingredient in Prozac, and sarin nerve gas, too.”

    Saying things like this just encourages uninformed people to make decisions based on their fears rather than facts. It takes advantage of people who may not have a lot of knowledge in one area and scares them into your point of view.

    I can make water sound terrifying if I take it as far out of context as this “doctor” did. Anyone can get a PhD by the way… (why do some people listen to people like Dr. Robert Carton, a FORMER FDA scientist, but wont listen to their own doctor as if they know better???)

    Also, you didn’t cite a single one of your statements so are we just supposed to take your word for it that this is the “truth”?

    I’m sure you have the best of intentions, but in this age of information being spread so quickly and easily, you’ve got to be careful what you state as fact, especially when you have no scientific background and cant tell for yourself if information is accurate or not.

    1. Hi JR, this is a blog rather than a book or even scientific paper. I did list a variety of sources people can go to for more information. And I can cite more next week when I write more on these topics.

      Actually, saying things like this doesn’t encourage uninformed people to make decisions based on fears. What it does is suggest to them there is a compelling “other side” to the story, as they are not likely to be presented with the risks and controversies in a traditional dentist or endodontist or oral surgeon’s office.

      Education is a good thing, my friend. I encourage critical thinking and awareness, not fear-based, knee-jerk decision making. I could write a longer piece on this, with a bibliography, but my goal here is to pique interest and increase awareness of little-known issues that matter to our health.

      You should never, ever “just take my word for it that this is the truth.” Or anybody’s word, for that matter. I don’t take advantage of people. I don’t scare people into my point of view. It’s voluntary to come to my blog, and counter opinions are welcome here. But shall we leave out the personal attacks simply because one doesn’t agree with the opinion? There will always be differences of opinion. Let’s keep it about the issues, without making dire assumptions about each other?

      The dose makes the poison is a very convenient excuse used by Big Pharma to excuse the toxicity of thousands of chemicals now in our water, thanks to so many drug users. Certainly smaller doses of poisons are less likely to cause, for instance, Multiple Sclerosis, than high doses. That doesn’t mean smaller doses are healthy and appropriate.

      Where you and I may fundamentally disagree is on the idea that eating chemicals is a road to health.

      Show me the examples where people have become HEALTHY using this flawed thinking.

  5. This topic is always hot.

    My personal experience is that multiple dentists in Missouri and Colorado (one dentist had come from UT himself) who knew we’d moved from UT had this to say within SECONDS of looking in my mouth “You didn’t grow up in UT did you?” Of which I replied “no.” Their reactions was, “I can tell.” The first time this happened I was quite surprised and didn’t understand. They continued with explaining that generally speaking, people who grew up in UT (specifically) but also other states who don’t (or didn’t) have fluoride in their water have BY FAR the worst teeth. I can think of at least 5 dentists over the years who’ve commented on my teeth right away and followed it up with how awful the condition of people’s teeth in areas without fluoride in the water. (UT specifically since they knew my parents and siblings moved there 13 years ago)

    Friends I know who’ve grown up in UT continue to have dental issues. (one in particular is an avid fan) My mother has also had all kinds of problems (grew up in Hawaii, before fluoride) where I have not had anything major. So for me and my experiences, fluoride is absolutely a cavity preventer.

    This is a classic example of “everything in moderation”

    I appreciate the comments made by Ben, RDH and Garon.

  6. Very disappointed…..

    I just found your site and was looking forward to seeing you in Tucson. A friend forward me this link today. I am an RDH. I am sad that you went in this direction to sell products. Please people reading this…leave your silver fillings alone until they NEED to be replaced. They are not doing any thing to you. The PROCESS to replace them is when your exposed and drilling away MORE vital tooth structure.

    Root Canals….really? So having the tooth out or a chronic infection is healthier?

    And the subject that really got me was the floride. Not everyone is prone to tooth decay or periodontal disease. In fact a high percent of people that get periodontal disease have ever had little to no tooth decay. Thank your parents if you have a healthy mouth. If you want to risk getting cavities then go for it but don’t subject your children to it. Floride is naturally occurring element in the water and is added when the amounts are low. There are areas of the country where its naturally to high in well water. Yes, in high amounts it’s not a good thing…like so many other things (like iron). It is the best protection for our children for their developing teeth. No real benefit for adults. They need topical fluoride. For every cavity in children…they are looking at having to replace and drill on that same tooth several more times in their lifetime.

    Please people do the research and look at the source. Here is one on floride from the National Cancer Institute …. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/fluoridated-water

    Chronic inflammation is the silent killer….and your mouth is one of easiest places on the body to fight that with the right tools. Let’s get back to whole foods…juicing/blending and staying healthy. No disrespect but it hit a nerve…especially when it comes to protecting our kids.

    Thank Ben…I like how you put it as well.

    1. I just HAVE to reply to this nonsense! If you have silver fillings in, PLEASE GET THEM OUT! My health was SO poor before I got mine out. But after getting them out I got my life back (my health continues to get better with chelation using Andy Cutler’s method). My dentist is/was a conventional dentist. After seeing the difference it made for me, HE GOT HIS OUT and asked me to help him with the chelation. I’ve helped my father and many others around me get on the same path. It makes such a HUGE difference.

      Is poor health caused by a lack of chemicals in our body? Think about that until it clicks!

  7. Robyn,

    Since you have written about dental issues again, I will respond. I have recently completed a paper which summarizes my own investigation into the fluoride issues that you are discussing. I will send you a copy. I hope you will take the time to read it. I know I cannot change your mind or convince you of anything, but I have taken you to task when you invited me to do my own research into the fluoride issue and this is my result.

    I agree with your statement, that you can prove anything you want. The statement goes both ways. Research for holistic treatments has its own deficiencies. Who funds the studies for these products? It is very difficult to find unbiased research in any field.

    You say your point isn’t to denegrate dentists, but you do by the statements you make. Since you didn’t go to dental school, why do you make reports to your readers about what is or isn’t taught in dental school? If doctors and dentists aren’t the experts in toxicology, the nervous system, health and disease, or nutrition, then who is…who do we look to? Hopefully we don’t look to Einstein’s nephew or research journalists for our “experts.” I agree whole-heartedly with your closing remarks, look to people for what they are an expert in. I think your column should stay focused on whole foods.

  8. Anonymous above, described Dr. Ulm’s practice well, but said she doesn’t know him. I have been going to Dr. Ulm at Synergy Dental for 6 years, and we love him! He has transitioned more into holistic dentistry over the years, but even in the beginning, he would talk to me about pros and cons, and would let me make the decisions about what procedures we would do (such as whether to use fluoride or not) with no pressure or guilt-trips from him.

  9. Do you allow for opposing views in your comments section? I find it hard to believe that not one person has attempted to counter your arguments–most of which are completely baseless. The CDC listed fluoridated water as one of the Ten Great Public Health Achievements of the past century. It is listed alongside vaccinations, so based on this rant I am guessing you feel vaccines are poison as well. Nevermind that we have effectively eradicated smallpox and extended that average lifespan due to vaccinations.

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00056796.htm

    Yes, a tube of toothpaste has enough Fluoride to kill a hippopotamus; which is exactly why you use only a pea-sized amount with children. A bottle of your common table salt has enough sodium to kill a baby but we don’t feed our babies entire bottles of salt, do we? Evidence-based research has proven that fluoride, when given in proper dosage, strengthens teeth and significantly reduces dental caries. Please stop spreading your scare propaganda & provide links to evidence-based research that the scientific community can read & allow your readers to decide for themselves.

    1. Ben, my blog isn’t a place to write a book on fluoride, but others have done so and I highly recommend you look into that. My readers do decide for themselves. All of the arguments in your second paragraph are red herrings. Please google fluoride danger, or read any of the books by authors I reference before deciding you want to eat or rinse in a well documented carcinogen. Eating chemicals is never going to be a path to health, my friend.

  10. I missed the webinar tonight about the ionizer, due to different time zone I was unaware of. Last year I received the emails you sent out and decided to save my money for when they go on sale again. So, I am ready to get one, but having a very difficult time knowing how to do that. Also, as I remember you use it along with another filtering system… RO maybe? Tomorrow night is not an option for me to do the webinar, can I still get the group deal and any needed information? Please advise.

  11. Response to UltraSeal XT question from Laura:

    “ltraSeal XT plus is a light-cured, radiopaque, fluoride-releasing composite sealant. Because it is a 58% filled resin UltraSeal XT plus is stronger and more wear-resistant, and has less polymerization shrinkage than competitive products. The spiral brush action of the tip causes shear thinning of the filled, thixotropic UltraSeal XT plus, thus dropping its viscosity as it is placed. Resin firms when shear thinning ceases (placement complete) and helps prevent resin from running before it can be light cured.”

    So it releases fluoride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fziuM595dYE) Google the safety data sheet – not very encouraging. “HAZARD DESIGNATION

    “Xi” – Irritant

    “T” – Toxic R22: Harmful if swallowed.”

    1. Good stuff, Jael, thank you. Fluoride releasing, fabulous. Just like our mercury vapor-releasing amalgam fillings. When are we going to learn that heavy metals and chemicals are NOT the answer to health problems?

  12. Haha thanks for the love Marianne (she is a great patient and friend 🙂 Dr Babcock though is not a HOLLISTIC dentist, and so is more traditional in that sense. Working the islands of Palau right out of Dental School provided great insights for us on the links between health care and oral care. Dentists can not legally diagnose someone with cancer but evidence of cancer can show up in the mouth before other places in the body.Dr Babcock does does provide immalgum free dentistry though and encourages a healthy diet and lifestyle to his patients.

    Thanks again for this great post Robyn!

  13. I highly recommend Dr David Babcock DMD at Bluffdale Dental on the border of Utah and Salt Lake County, he is fabulous! He is experienced in providing beautiful restorative dental services that include natural looking fillings with out the use of harsh metals. His family are 12 Step to Whole Foods “graduates” and his office manager is a new green smoothie convert as well. Dr. Babcock has noted in his studies that often systemic infections present themselves in the mouth before other parts of the body, Dr. Babcock teaches his patients that through good oral hygiene you can improve your overall health, reducing the risk of serious disease.

    1. Marianne, I think that’s GSG reader Sheryl’s husband. She is HILARIOUS and yes, 12 Steps graduates….I thought he was pretty traditional, but this is good to know if he doesn’t use metals….?? I bet Sheryl will pipe up here soon.

    1. Andrea, any toothpaste with no fluoride or other toxic ingredients (avoid propylene glycol, sulfates, and chemical names you can’t pronounce—even the natural ones usually have titanium dioxide, for whitening, which I’m not excited about, but rinse well).

  14. This is something that I strongly believe in. I’ve had a few different tests done by different people using different machines (ondamed, EFT, biomeridian and kinesiology) that tie my teeth to my breast cancer diagnosis. I’ve been looking around at doctors to get them removed.

    I also have not let my dentist put flouride on our teeth for years. Everytime we go in we get questioned about it. Asking how we keep cavities away, we’ve had one child have one cavity in 13 years!!

  15. I am not far from Memphis, TN and I would love to find a HOLISTIC dentist in my area. I know it will probably be hard but if anyone knows where I can look that would be great.

  16. Although we have avoided the fluoride treatments at the dentist, now they are suggesting that I have them apply UltraSeal XT plus to my daughter’s permanent molars that are starting to come in. Apparently there are deep grooves (aka fissures and pits) on the back teeth that toothbrush bristles cannot reach all the way into. So they are recommending “sealing “out plaque and food. I am not exactly sure what this substance is made of, but my gut is saying “no thank you.”

    Anyone have any info on this?

    Thanks,

    Laura

  17. My dentist is also fluoride free. He did an amazing job removing the amalgam fillings I had earlier this year. He had a gas mask on me and one on him too. He used all kinds of special tools. He even has essential oils brewing in his office to make you more comfortable. He is a great dentist in a classy office in Pleasant Grove, UT. I don’t personally know him but I thought I would let people know about Dr. Ulm as well. I researched him out for that very purpose you have talked about today. Here is his website if anyone is interested http://www.synergydentalutah.com/

  18. Thanks for posting this. I knew flouride was bad but did not know all the facts you offered. This helps me. I have heard of the issues with amalgam fillings but am anxious to hear more. I have a mouth full and worked in dentistry for many years. I believed the mercury was a substance we had to treat with care when we were preparing it for use in the mouth. I was quite young then and as many of us do just went along with what my boss was telling me. After all he had an advanced degree and this was his business and livelihood. Why would he put poisonous substances in his patient’s mouths and in the mouths of his own children? I know better now. I don’t think he thought about it and like me just went along with what he had been told, that it was safe when used as prescribed. I also recently had a root canal and am worried about the effects that my amalgam fillings and my root canal are having on an ongoing basis to my health. Looking forward to further posts from you.

  19. Geez…I wish I had read this 6 hours sooner. I just got home from the dentist with my 4 kids. All 4 of them had a fluoride solution smeared on their teeth today. Sad. Well, I’ll make sure they don’t get it again in the future.

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