Fermenting foods: it’s freaking me out!
Dear GreenSmoothieGirl: I really like the idea of adding the Rejuvelac as my green smoothie base, but I’m honestly totally freaked out to leave something perishable on my countertop in an unsealed container for several days. What are the chances that “bad bacteria” get in there and make me sick? I really appreciate any feedback you have. It sounds like a great opportunity to make green smoothies do even more for me, but I can’t get over the initial concept. –Grace
Answer: Grace, I think it might help if I explain the concept a bit more. Fermented foods are part of your diet already, if you eat yogurt or sauerkraut, or even beer. The manufacturer had to let it sit at room temperature for a time, to grow the cultures.
Also, before refrigeration, human beings had a stronger inner terrain and microbes rarely harmed them. Of course, now we have antibiotics that have seriously damaged most people’s balance of beneficial microorganisms colonizing the digestive tract. We also have refined foods weakening us, and few, if any, cultured foods strengthening us. We now seem to believe that killing a couple million of the billions of microscopic critters around us will somehow do the trick.
It’s a weird modern concept that everything we eat has to be sterilized—ancient peoples lived amongst billions of organisms very peacefully for thousands of years. So maybe our food is sterilized, fumigated, pasteurized, irradiated…..but there are billions of organisms everywhere ELSE (which makes the antibiotic wipes a pointless waste of money).
So, it feels unnatural to you but only because of our strange modern traditions, and the fact that we’ve gotten away from eating foods that nurture our gut’s need for healthy colonization. Just ONE course of antibiotics can change the gut’s internal terrain forever.
Every culture of the world eats cultured foods. Some chew up a food and spit it, with their saliva, into an earthen pot, and drink it a week later. (I won’t be teaching you those methods, don’t worry.) There are literally hundreds of types of cultured foods, in traditional / indigenous peoples, and in people who have not completely adopted processed diets.
The most complete and well known work on this concept is Sally Fallon’s Nourishing Traditions, which has some good info but advocates for lots of meat and dairy and a very rich diet. My 12 Steps to Whole Foods program deals with it in a condensed way in Ch. 8 and uses what I feel are a do-able, moderate amount of probiotic foods that do not require us to purchase $10/lb. animal parts. My work focuses on culturing vegetables, optionally some raw, antibiotic- and hormone-free milk, or coconut liquid. (I now culture my coconut liquid before using it in Hot Pink Breakfast Smoothie).
My blog on 9/15 talks about learning vicariously through others—the examples I gave were learning from others’ health disasters. But you can learn from my health victories, too. Does it help you to know that I have had a quart or a half gallon of raw kefir, or yogurt, or coconut kefir, or sprouts, or Rejuvelac, or sauerkraut, on my counter, pretty much every day of my life for the past 17 years? We have had zero instances of problems, illness, food poisoning.
It also helps if you understand the process of how food has historically been preserved. You can preserve foods a few ways. One, drying it to dramatically slow oxidation, which often involves lots of salt. Two, can it by killing all its lifeforce (enzymes and vitamins) so that there’s very little to oxidize, and then sealing it against air and bacteria. Third, utilizing lactobacillus and other beneficial organisms and lactic acid to break down the proteins and preserve the food (fermenting).
The way I make sauerkraut (see Ch. 8 of 12 Steps) is that the unrefined salt preserves it for a few days while the (slower) lactic acid begins to take over. I have two-year old raw sauerkraut (that I preserved with whey from my yogurt/kefir) that has been unsealed (but covered tightly with a lid) that we are still eating. It’s too soft, and it’s better, texture-wise, at six months old. But it’s preserved, and the healthy bacteria help my family stay healthy.
It might help to address the semantics. The word “fermented” has a negative connotation. (Although beer drinkers who wouldn’t be caught dead eating fermented vegetables drink PLENTY of fermentation.) When you think of fermented, do you think of ROTTEN? We aren’t eating any rotten foods at my house. We could mentally replace that word with a much nicer one: cultured!
So, don’t eat fermented foods. Eat cultured ones!
If “bad” bacteria gets into your cultured foods and makes them “go bad,” you will know. They will taste bad and/or mold. I have almost never had this happen. Once it happened with a bottle of sauerkraut. Never with kefir or Rejuvelac.
My Rejuvelac ferments in a day. At CHI, they told me 3-5 days, but mine tastes plenty tart 24 hours after I blend the sprouts and water, and put it on the counter to grow (aka ferment, aka culture).
Here’s my new video showing this easy, inexpensive habit that has the potential to see you through the winter without viruses or infections!
do you shake the fermented water before you drink it. in your video, you don’t say but what you are holding in your hand has settled. do you just drink to liquid off the top or shake it.? thanks, bonnie
thank you for this blog. this is my first time here. i am very excited. can you recommend any lectures or classes in the st. louis, mo. area? thanks, bonnie
ps or in dallas, tx. my daughter and grandson there are gluten intolerant also.
Bonnie, look at EVENTS on GreenSmoothieGirl.com—I am speaking in Dallas next month! As for St. Louis, nothing yet, just need an event-planning type to help us with it! XOXO
Hi Robyn,
First of all thank you for all that you do, you are an inspiration!
I had two questions regarding the rejuvilac. First, the jar that you show in the video of the finished product that you said you drink as water, looks like there is sediment on the bottom ( from the wheat or quinoa) do you shake it up before you drink it/use it in smoothie, or is the point to drink the liquid only. Second, I have seen/read other methods regarding making this drink and yours seems unique, primarily because you blend the grain before you let it ferment. I am wondering how you came up with your process, is it based on Wigmore’s model or do you incorporate your own ideas as well.
Thank you so much for your time and keep up the good work,
Ira Berman
Boca Raton
Thanks for this great information! I have large stocks of wheat as well, so am excited to try this. Thank you so much for taking the time to make such a difference in people”s lives, keep bringing it on! We are eager to learn more! I will be at your San Antonio class and looking forward to seeing you there.
I am definately going to try this. I love that it is so affordable! Do you think if I switched to doing this that I could stop buying probiotic supplements?
Robin,
Thank you for this vid and yes please do more. I already sprout and “culture” (love that new word I’ll be using it with the scaredy cats); Kefir, tea, ginger, lemon, sassafras and just started beet kvaas. The Rejuvelac from Nourishing Traditions had caught my eye the other day but I am wheat/gluten intolerant so it was great to know I could do this with qinoa!!! Or seamingly anything else that sprouts, go figure.
I had been using whey from my kefir for my smoothie base. I think I’ll try this 1/2 & 1/2. Keep it up Please. You help to keep me going. See you in San Antonio, TX soon.
Many thanks,
Nadine
Just saw the video. Very helpful. I will be trying this. I need to have do better on eating healthy.
Thank you for your information. Jenny
Would the Rejuvelac get sweeter tasting if you kept it on the counter top 3-5 days or would it be even tarter than the way it tastes they way you do it after one day?
My husband says “we will not be sprouting stuff on our counter”, but we’ll see!!! I do want to try it. Also, can you please post the recipe link to your Hot Pink Smoothie? I found the recipe yesterday, but now I can’t find it!
Consider posting the directions for making the Rejuvelac so they can be printed.
In the REJUVELAC video you mentioned your food storage system. HOW DO RAW VEGANS STORE FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES WITHOUT COOKING (canning. preserving) THEM?
Hi Robyn, Do you ever guest post on other peoples’ blogs? I just featured your book and 12 Step program on my blog. I know you are busy but If you have time, I would love to have you guest post on my blog. Thank you for being such an inspiration to so many people!
Melissa
livebeautifully.info
Hey, do you shake it up before you drink it to get the grain in, or do you just drink the water on top?
Thanks for this. I’ll be trying it tonight!
Do you shake the rejuvelac up before you drink it? I noticed in your video that yours had settled. or do you just drink the water off the top?
Just wondering if this would replace the kefir milk/water I’ve been using? I actually like adding kefir water to my green smoothie glass–tastes like punch!
I’m totally going to start doing that! Thanks so much for posting these videos! They are so helpful and informative, please post more!!
THANK YOU Robyn for this demo! I was so intimidated to try this until I saw you demonstrate how easy it is. I am definitely going to do this, and add it to my green smoothies. I also love that you are showing us a way to add grains to a raw diet; before this, I didn’t know how to eat grains without cooking them.
Robyn,
Do you store it in the refrigerator with the mesh cover or a regular mason jar lid? Where can you get the mesh?
@GraceLena:
Raw food vegans dehydrate and freeze foods. They don’t use any preservation methods that heat food beyond 110 degrees F., which deactivates enzymes and denatures too many vitamins.
For anyone who is squeemish about letting Rejuvelac sit open to whatever is in the air for culturing, you can use a Kombucha SCOBY or even kefir grains. My sister uses her SCOBY for Kombucha making for Rejuvelac. Works even better than letting wild organisms culture it. A well developed SCOBY has a couple hundred different beneficial organisms, along with proteins and enzymes.
$30 bucks for a bottle of Kombucha? Does it have diamonds etched on it or something?
Every health food store in Denver sells 16 oz bottles for about from $2.50-$2.99.
For those who want alternatives to quinoa and wheat: buckwheat and rye work very, very well for Rejuvelac. My sister thinks rye makes a sweeter tasting Rejuvelac. Make sure the buckwheat you buy is NOT toasted (otherwise it won’t sprout). Toasted buckwheat is usually labeled as Kasha and raw buckwheat is usually known as buckwheat groats.
thanks for the rejuvelac video. I’ll be making it and putting in the smoothies. very helpful
Just made my first batch and drinking it in my green smoothie. I can’t even tell it is in there. Thank you for your videos, keep posting them. That is how I learn best.
I’ve heard of this before and you’re right; it sounded awful. However, just watching you demonstrate how simple it is and the health benefits, I have some on my counter now “culturing”. Can’t wait to have it in my smoothie tomorrow. Thank you for demystifying this probiotic.
I did this, but when it was finished fermenting it had a thick 1/4 inch yellow layer on the top. i skimmed it off and put the liquid in the fridge. Can I drink it or did I do something wrong? Is it safe? I did just what you did on your video so I don’t know how it could be wrong. Just don’t want to go forward until I know what this stuff on top is.
Thanks!!
I just started soaking some quinoa to try to making my first batch. I’m so excited! I’m gluten intolerant, so won’t do the wheat berries, but the quinoa is perfect. Thank you Robyn!
Hi Robyn,
This is an excellent video. I def. want to give this a try. Thanks for the info!
Hi Robyn, what are you thoughts on the new book out by Timothy Ferriss, 4-hour body. Do you think this is a healthy way to lose weight or not. Also, do you mix up the rejuvelac or just drink the water on top of it? Thanks Mike
Mike, I read 4-Hour Workweek and I’m generally pretty fascinated by Tim Ferriss, a really unique guy. Haven’t read 4-hour body but I’ve heard a little about it, would have to study it more. What specifically does he say that you’re wondering about? Rejuvelac: you can strain out the solids with a nutmilk bag if you want–then drink all of it. Look at my video–I blend up water and the sprouted wheat berries.
Also, can this be consumed during pregnancy and breastfeeding?
made my first 2 batches one with spelt berries one with quinoa everything was going very well, tested the taste along the way kinda lemony perfect, but when I went to bottle it for the fridge the next day it tastes like feta cheese,. does that means it is off. I have googled around the internet and can’t find out if that is good or bad. I am afraid to drink it but don’t want to through it out. I guess we learn as we go.
Still good, just stronger—unless it tastes like it’s gone bad. I’ve not had anything go bad yet in a few weeks of making it.
After it ferments on the counter a day or two i put some in a sealed mason jar in the back of the fridge…..after a while it begins to carbonate…..I like it both ways. I have also made some with the “jelly” palm fruits that fell too the ground in my neighbors yard, they just let them spoil on the ground so i sent my kids over to pick the good fruit, we ate some and i put some in a jar in water in the fridge, it fermented well and tastes good.
I had the same problem as Katrina. What’s with the yellow stuff on top? It smells pretty bad too…hmm.
April, does it smell bad, or fermented? It should be a little tart, lemony. Not rotten. I’ve never had any fermented food go “bad,” so I kind of doubt that’s it–you probably just aren’t used to it. The stuff on top is the solids from the sprouts you blended in. Best idea if you’re going to drink it straight is to strain that out. Nut milk bag will be easiest and most effective, or a very fine-mesh strainer. If I use it in green smoothie, I use all of it including the solids, though!
Robyn, Does drinking this help prevent just intestinal illnesses or coughs and colds as well? Do you think it is better than kefir? Thanks.
Gentry, it’s just different than kefir. Getting a few different fermented foods, for the most strains of beneficial bacteria possible, is a GREAT idea to be strong against viruses and bacterial infections, yes.
I see on your video for making rejuvelac that you are drinking the water or lighter fluid off the top of the culture sediment in the bottom of each jar. Do you ever shake up that sediment with the floating liquid and use it all, and then when you can see you are about to use up your rejuvelac in the next couple of days you restart the process of soaking the seeds etc.etc.?
Thank you SO MUCH for all your study, sharing and helping America particularly, to heal.
I love watching your videos!
Keep it up!
Thanks Robyn, DO YOU REUSE THE GRAINS FOR A 2 to 3rd BATCH???
Thank you! I have recently stopped drinking dairy milks and find I am missing my daily goat milk kefir. This looks like a very good substitute for the enzymes and probiotics. I eat quinoa, amaranth and buckwheat groats almost daily, this will be a nice addition.
I’m excited to try this! I already use kefir in my smoothies everyday, but this looks great! Maybe you could do an instructional video on dehydrating your sprouted grains, grinding them into flour and baking with them as well.
I’m excited to try this! I already use kefir in my smoothies everyday, but this looks great! Thanks for the tips! Maybe you could do an instructional video on dehydrating your sprouted grains, grinding them into flour and baking with them as well.
I’m so excited about this! I was very intimidated about sprouting until I watched this. I just put some Quinoa to soak. Thank you for the awesome video! Can’t wait to see you in Mesa Nov. 5th!
I loved your info on rejuvalac and I make and eat fermented foods but a question came up about using rejuvalac if you cannot/choose not to eat grains? Please comment.
Julie, then use quinoa—which is not a grain.
My understanding on wheat berries is that you can use any of them (spring, summer, soft, hard, white, red etc). It all depends on your taste as each kind comes out tasting different.
I’m so excited to start this. I’ve been wanting to start sprouting and this gave me the kick I needed. Thanks!!
Hi Robyn I enjoyed your video Im always looking for new ways and ideas to increase health and performance. I’m a chiropractor , professor of physiology and microbiology and do ironman comps and 100 mile runs and crazy stuff like that. I do a lot of of the wall nutrition so this fits right in I’ll give it a try. Kris
Kris (Dr. Hansen), where do you live?
Hi Robin!
This is a fantastic video. Thank you for making it. I would love a video about making sauerkraut. Every one I’ve seen out there uses whey or tons of salt. I’d like to make sauerkraut, since I love it so much. I’ve tried a few ties with dismal results.
I love sprouting…….there is something growing on my counter always…….my family has just come to know that and they understand all about live enzymes and would tell anyone that I put sprouts on everything…………..and of course that is not all together true but we do eat a lot of them. I am super excited about this particular video because I really want more cultured foods in our diet so I am excited to make Rejuvalac! Thanks Robyn!
you said on your video that you used soft wheat, but does the type of wheat matter? Does hard wheat work as well as soft? Thanks so much for this video. I am excited to try it.
Michelle, YES you can use hard red wheat!
Thank you so much for sharing rejuvelac techniques with us. My sister and I have been making our own fermented “cultured” vegetables and coconut kefir. We love how good they are for us. We use Donna Gates starter from bodyecology.com website. We will also be trying the rejuvelac. Thanks again Robyn, for bringing us affordable goodness!
Hi Robyn,
I enjoyed watching your rejuvelac video. When I was at the HHI in 1995 in West Palm Beach, FL, they did not do that anymore, but I have since given Ann Wigmore’s online demo a try by using 1 cup wheat- or rye berries and letting the whole grain berries soak in 2-3 cups of water (I usually use destilled from my own countertop destiller, or the RO ionized H2O from the healthfood store) for 2 days (48hrs.) and then I pour off the fermented water and drink it strained and add 2-3 cups of water again and let that sit only 1day (24 hrs) and repeat up to 5 more times and then one could compost the grains and start over with a new dried grain berries (or 1 day before the 6.th drink to not be a day without it).
I personally prefer the taste of rye rejuvelac. Now if I did it like I said should I use the last batch’s grain in my green smoothie or because the good stufff has already been coming out of it for 5 days that it would not be of much benefit on the 6.th day to also put the berries into the blender?
Now Dr. Max Gerson said in his famous literature that he found out that the continuous action of the blender destroys the living enzymes and in Dr. Norman Walker’s books I noticed that he pulsed only with the blender (maybe to not get the electtrical power buildup and that way not destroy the living enzymes) so that is what I have done to be on the cautious side.
What do you know about creating electricity through continuous round motion as in a blender?
Thanks very much for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us!
God bless you for it!
monika
Monika, great info, thanks! I’m waiting to post about Rejuvelac again until I get an answer from Dr. Brian Clement who runs Hippocrates about my questions. But that’s a good tip–just pulse. Also a good tip to use the fermented, sprouted grains as a “starter” for up to a week, to make it even easier and simpler. I run mine for only a few seconds. I will include this in the “Take Two” blog I am preparing on this subject, thank you!
I wanted to chime in the on the “alcohol” concerns someone mentioned. Maybe this was already addressed, but we have to remember that our guts produce alcohol. And the more out of balance our gut bacteria is, the MORE alcohol we produce. When we replace the healthy gut flora, we actually produce less alcohol. SO, using natural probiotic foods like kefir and rejuvelac is likely to result in you having LESS alcohol in your body, even though they contain a tiny amount. You can actually have such a serious candida overgrowth that you are literally drunk from the alcohol it produces. Balancing your gut flora lowers the alcohol in your system overall.
Thanks for the info, Robyn. I’m soaking my quinoa tonight!