Should I Take Supplements? Part 5 of 6
In a nutshell, as I put thousands of people on the supplements and tracked their subsequent antioxidant scan results, their levels increased only marginally. I gathered data from thousands of supplement takers over the course of a year before I left that business completely. (At one point during the year, I was the fastest-growing distributorship in the world, in this huge and successful company.)
Those I worked with are dumbfounded to this day that I would walk away from that distributorship that made $8,000 in its second month. There was every reason to believe that my business would grow and grow–after all, it was multi-level marketing and I had a whole army of people taking the supplements and promoting it to others.
I left because I saw that the machine was whiz-bang cool, but the supplements weren’t helping anybody much. How could I sell when I no longer believed? I won’t do something if it doesn’t feel right to me on every level.
The average American scanned at 20,000. If you took the supplements we were selling, you might go up a measly 5,000 to 10,000 points. For a while. If you ate a raw food diet, you might be as high as 90,000! (I had a few scans that high as I shifted to a mostly-raw diet and lots of green drinks.) In Colorado, I scanned Lara, the formulator of the LaraBar–and as a raw foodist, she was the highest scan of the day at 65,000! (The paper chart the company gave people topped out at 72,000. You could sometimes scan people all day and never see one above 50,000.)
The supplements we promoted were “food grade,” as most are, and high quality relative to others. Still some synthetic ingredients.
Observationally: Centrum users were no higher than the dismal score of the average American. Standard Process, people scored marginally higher. Juice Plus users were the highest I saw–lots of those people were actually eating a good diet, too–but by itself, JP’s results were not impressive.
I scanned lots of cancer patients whose readings were so low that the machine showed this: <10,000. In other words, too low to measure. Those folks’ bodies are using every antioxidant available to mop up cancer free radicals, with no reserves.
My conclusion was: I could no longer sell supplements in good conscience. I couldn’t feel good about taking anyone’s money buying very expensive supplements that the best I could say was, “These may or may not slightly increase your antioxidant score, for a little while.”
I could, though, feel good about switching to a high-raw diet rich in colorful plant foods because those folks scanned OFF THE CHART. Literally. My friend I traveled with was a cancer survivor raw foodist, and she scanned at 90,000. And after I ate all-raw for quite a few months, my own score tripled to that same level.
And while I lost my interest in helping people buy vitamins, the data made me motivated to help folks get better nutrition. From food. At the time I didn’t know how to teach them besides one-on-one.
I am not telling you that you’ll die if you eat vitamins. I am just hoping you’ll put your money into whole foods first–and vitamins only if it really makes sense, in specific quantities that you have a good reason for. B12 if you’re vegan. Vita D if you’re not in the sun regularly. Vita C if you’re sick.
And if you do buy vitamins, please don’t get the kind you buy in a pharmacy–get a high-quality brand. (Dr. Chambers, you’re welcome to explain why your multis are better.)
My friends scanned me with Pharmanex (NuSkin) and I was curious to see what I was. I don’t take any supplements, besides sometimes probiotics or cod liver oil, but I do eat a diet of whole, real foods. I scored a 45,00 and my husband 47,000. They were really impressed because the first time they scanned, they were (the husband and wife) each around 20,000. Now they are somewhere near our number because they take the vitamins. I thought it was cool that we scanned so well and we don’t pay an arm and a leg each month for supplements. It was kind of a neat validation for eating whole, real foods. I don’t know what exactly it tells you or if it is even valid, but it was still cool. I’d be curious to know my number now that I drink a quart of green smoothie every day. It’s got to be higher. Anyways, I agree with you about supplements!
Hi Robyn,
I was just diagnosed by my Dr with low iron and low hemoglobin. He recommended 300mg ferrous sulfate a day.
For the past year, I’ve drank 1 quart of green smoothie a day, cooked everything in cast iron, and taken Pascalite Clay, which is high in iron. I’m wondering if you know of any other whole-foods type things, or anything, really, I should do? Or should I start taking that supplement?
I go back in 2 months to be retested.
Afton, you might want to address underlying mineral imbalances that are causing you to not metabolize iron even though you’re bringing plenty of it in. I would suggest sole (see SALT under “Robyn Recommends”) on the site, and a brand-new offering in the GreenSmoothieGirl store, Liquid Light, a product I’ve been using all year and absolutely love. When you address the broad-reaching spectrum of trace minerals most of us are deficient in, you may find that you are retaining iron better. And Liquid Light will also give you fantastic electrolyte support. And get OFF sugar, which leaches minerals and ages you prematurely.
What about the information saying B12 is available in fermented foods and kombucha tea? Do you think that amount is adequate for vegans?
Robyn, You are a RoCk StAr! I love your message, I love your courage! You have changed my life!
Oh, so you sold Pharmanex, I’m assuming. It all makes sense now and I can see why you would be scared away from vitamins. my husband took those too until I started selling Juice Plus and he realized instead of paying $100 a month you can just pay $40 a month for nutrients from whole fruits and veggies. I totally get what you are saying, but Juice Plus is one of the ONLY nutraceuticals out there that is made from whole fruits and veggies. Not even Pharmenex can say that. From my understanding, it is more of a multi.
IDEALLY… a person should eat how you eat, and i strive for that. But what I have decided to do is drink my two glasses of green smoothie a day and supplement with my Juice plus… because you can never have too much WHOLE fruits and veggies. If I took a multi with it, I can see why that “test” you are saying might say F. I do have to say that I do TOTALLY respect you for educating people on health and eating whole foods. That is my passion too. And it does bug me when people use supplements as an excuse to eat poorly. I totally agree. That is one reason why I do not actively sell Juice Plus anymore because i would rather try and convince people to drink green smoothies. However, I do realize that some people would prefer to get their nutrients from JP and that to me, is better than no extra nutrients at all. (EXCEPT for a multi)
Kathy, I don’t think anyone knows whether kombucha, aloe, nutritional yeast, organic veggies not washed well are supplying you with B12. Since it’s a water soluble vitamin ostensibly NOT stored by the body, why does it take years to deplete a vegan in this nutrient? I have to wonder if plant sources have it–even if less abundantly than red meat does. Some say it may be an “analog”–it makes sense to me that your body can metabolize soil organisms just like a cow’s does. But I do not believe I have arrived at the final answer on this topic.
Thank you, Robyn. I’m so grateful that you took the time to reply. I’ll look into the sole and Liquid Light. Plus this may just be the motivation I need to kick sugar again.
My OBGYN told me not to take Pre-natals…he said just eat really well! The nausea they cause is not worth any potential benefits. Eat LOTS of fresh (raw) fruits/veggies and your good to go!
My life was saved from Reliv products so I am a huge fan of using it as insurance. But, I agree, if people aren’t getting results, then they shouldn’t take something. Raw is great. Green smoothies are great. It isn’t practical for everyone in every climate, in every family, however. I’m glad that I have something that reversed disease and continues to make me younger AND makes me feel better so that I crave healthier foods.
I have had the same problem as Afton . I have done the green smoothies and eaten well since I you started the green smoothie girl stuff, but every year my iron has been so low I have to go get an iron transfusion – ugh. I’m hopeful that the sole and Liquid Light is the same. I haven’t been able to figure our why my body hasn’t been able to get the iron. This gives me hope.
I’ve also really struggled with Vitamin D. I get my share of sun and such, but my doc said I was super low and prescribed some D. I felt much better, but this year it is down again. I would think that shouldn’t be a problem. It sounds like from the one blog that some people just might have to take that vitamin – is that right. It seems like if we eat well we should be able to get the minerals are bodies need from the food. I’d rather do that than have to add stuff. Will my body start doing what it needs to get the minerals after taking the Light stuff for a while or will we need to always take it?
Thanks so much
Kathryn, read about salt under “Robyn Recommends” on the site about sole. It’s different than Liquid Light. Try both for 6 months. Let me know what happens.
Robyn, This is very interesting, the first time I was scanned I was at 19000, then 3 years later I had began eating mostly raw and was not taking supplements and I scored 57000. Thanks for sharing.
Jean, AWESOME!!! I saw that over and over, in my work with the Biophotonic scanner. The only really high scans were people eating a ton of raw plant food. The only people OFF THE CHART were juicing or doing green smoothies (or both).
What is the scan u r reffering to and what does it check.
Robyn, thanks for speaking out about this topic. I totally agree with it. I’ve been one of your followers for 10 months now and have spread the word to friends and family in 5 states. I’m gluten free now and about 60-70% raw. However, since Sept. I’ve had 3- 2 week colds. I haven’t been to a doctor in 2 years, but now that this 3rd bad cold, that puts me in bed for 5 days came, my husband said “go!”. I’m waiting for blood test (which I know aren’t always accurate for my personal body because my temp is 97 degrees, and my TSH levels are different, etc.) Anyway, the dr. said I need to take vitamin D (we live in the NW). Inside I’m going, “no way I’m not taking a supplement”. But, now, you said in some cases people should take a supplement? Would you recommend this be the case for me and what brand to buy?
Totally agree with your comments and for years relied on good vegetarian nutrition only (alot raw). But now that I am getting older (60), I am taking many supplements to help with specific aging signs (memory, memory, memory, brain function, immune system….). Don’t really like it cause its expensive. I take reseveratrol, a bit of acai, l-glutamine, turmeric, COq10, Acetyl-L Carnitine & Alpha Lipoic acid, B12, D3, fish oil, vit. C, vit/min pill, Sun Warrior Ormus Greens, Sun’s Rice Protein powder. Green smoothies & exercise every day. Recent blood/saliva tests say I am very healthy except for some stress and hormone issues. Robyn, do you specifically know people my age and older who rely only on whole foods and are not feeling the aging signs?
Hello Robyn,
Once again I find myself in total appreciation of your devotion to the truth. I commend you for never deliberately telling a lie. Sometimes we might lie because we believe a lie, but that is easy to forgive. I also commend you for looking for and accepting the truth even if it costs you money in the short term. My belief is that if you do right your needs will be met and being in alignment with your spirit is far more important than any surplus money that could be had by bending truth.
Best regards
Hi Robyn,
Yep, You are the one that got me going on green smoothies!
Just one question. Last week I watched a youtube video by John Mcdougall on the starch diet. It made some sense to me so I went out and bought a rice cooker. Now mind you Iv’e been preaching starch free for 35 years!!
I just felt I needed to get off meat and dairy as I just can’t lose that last 40 lbs. OK now I am using rice and sprouted seeds to fill the belly (which I really need to feel) and your green smoothies. Oh and of course Ionized Alkaline water!!. Please can you tell me if this sounds logical my last 40 lbs. depends on it?
Thanks.
Yours Truly,
Greg
Afton,
Can you tell me what you know about cooking with cast iron?
I heard that it wasn’t safe? Like it is never clean even though it’s washed?
I know that’s what all the old-timers used…..
I have a question about drinking smoothies in the winter-time. I’m in healthfood, but not really into raw foods. But in the summer I do drink smoothies for lunch. However, in the winter, it’s soo cold (I live in North Carolina, but we’re in the mountains at 3500 feet — right now it’s 12 degrees — and it’s too expensive to keep our house about 64 degrees) that I just can’t get interested in drinking something cold and warm smoothies are just plain yuck! How do you do it??
Sorry for the typos — I meant we don’t keep our house *above* 64 degrees.
Thanks for the article Robyn. I truly believe that if we eat what God made for us the way He made it, we will be healthy. Stay away from anything man made especially processed (dead) foods.
Trying to eat as much raw as I can, Lisa
Thank you for sharing your reasons regarding supplements. Integrity and courage is two of the values I admire most in others! Robyn, keep up doing what you’re doing, you are making a difference in my life.
Hmmmm, very interesting. Now I’m curious to know what my antioxidant scan result level is for I do green smoothie and vitamin supplements mainly in powder form of NOW c-complex and Peter Gilham’s Calm Plus Calcium. And sometimes I’d add Klamath Valley Botanicals Blue Green Algae (Alphanizomenon flos-aquae) and c-complex into green smoothie. Where I can get scanned or purchase one, Robyn? Also, do you have any comparison chart on supplement versus whole foods expense?
Thanks (o;
What method or equipment are you using to do your scans?
I’d like to do some scans too.
Thank you,
Beth
What is sole? Are you talking about the fish? Connie
Sole is Original Himalayan Crystal Salt, in solution–please read about it in detail in Ch. 10 of 12 Steps to Whole Foods.
Hi Robyn and thank you for your great work!! I’m so thrilled to be able to refer to you for the bottom line, since you do such great and extensive research for me and aren’t afraid to speak your mind. I love that about you.
I am a JP+ Representative and I do actively sell and encourage the use of JP+. I have found that people are generally turned off to how my family eats (high raw, green smoothies, fresh, organic, gluten free, dairy free, sugar free, etc…) and yet they do get that they don’t consume nearly enough fresh, raw fruits and veges….in this way, JP+ helps them turn the corner! I’m always excited to learn of a customer whose child wouldn’t touch a veggie before JP+ and now eats veggies with the rest of the family. Or the teen “vegetarian” who never ate veggies and now eats a salad with her dinner meal. Progress. Not perfect, to be sure, but progress. These same customers wouldn’t touch my green smoothies if I paid them….some people are just plain stubborn and determined NOT to like something.
I LOVE that my own kids (5 of them, ages 17 yrs down to 2 yrs old) not only drink green smoothies daily, they enjoy veggies and ASK for them. If we’ve been especially busy and haven’t had our usual veggie quota, my kids ASK for certain veggies….”can we have steamed veggies for dinner?” or “can we have broccoli and hummus for a snack?” and recently, my 8 yr old son was overheard to say “oh, just try my green smoothie, it’s not as yucky as it looks and I think it’s delicious!!” …..music to my ears!!
Thanks Robyn and Happy Holiday!!
Warmly,
Leigh
Hi Robyn,
For the past 8 months I have been treated by an ayurvedic doctor who does not want me to eat anything raw. I do notice inflamation in my joints when I eat raw veggies but I really miss raw food. Is there a way to gently incorporate raw foods back into my diet. My issue is weak digestion.
Thanks,
Shannon
Shannon, WHY?? Do you have IBS? Even if so, raw would be good–you just have to watch carefully for what causes flareups. I am concerned about the care you are receiving, advice to eat ALL dead foods??
Thanks, Robyn! You are an incredible gem involved in many lives with good sense and the courage to research and ACT.
Robin,
When you say “scanned” what do you mean? What does the process of scanning consist of? A blood test? A urine test? Other? How is it done?
Thanks.
Robyn, as usual, your common sense and integrity speaks volumes! It has got to be difficult to walk away from those kind of earnings – but, you walk your walk. That really is one of the reasons I so admire you (other than your extensive knowledge and sound advice on diet.).
I am not “there” yet regarding a vegetarian and mainly raw food lifestyle – but I attribute my and my husband’s increased consumption of raw food (trying for raw at nearly every meal) to your teaching.
Incidentally, we have pretty much totally scrapped supplements since we’re eating so much more “real” food. Raw, organic (non-pasteurized, sprouted almonds), Vitamineral Greens (love those!), whole organic chia seeds, kombucha, salads, kale, collards (since we’re down south for the winter) … and the list goes on!
These improvements are in a lot of way thanks to you and your continued encouragement.
Robyn,
A great book for vitamins and minerals in food sources is “Rawsome” by Brigitte Mars. She has a list of B12 vitamin sources which are: Alfalfa leaves, bananas, barley grass, bee pollen, comfrey leaves, concord grapes and raisins, ginseng, hops, miso – unpasteurized, mustard greens, nutritional yeast, plums and prunes, sauerkraut- unpasteurized, seaweeds – esp. kelp and nor, spirulina, all sprouts, sunflower seeds, yogurt and wheat grass.
It’s an excellent book to help keep a balanced diet. There is a ton more info. in there and I highly recommend it for a great reference book.
What many don’t realize is that many of the components of vitamins and supplements are made from ‘Asian derivatives’. If you are comfortable with that then read no further. But if you are concerned with unknown additives or ingredients in these products, you simply must ask the company that manufacture and contain these products if at any time has it been processed outside of the US. For instance Vitamin C is almost certainly from Asia. It is bought in great quantities, shipped here and then put in the products we buy. Google it and call the companies and be specific in your questions. Other products such as xylitol and Truvium are also manufactered in Asia from corn products (not listed on the label). There is only one company in the US that manufacturers xylitol from true birch bark, by the way. My allergy to corn allerted me that something was amis and with research and persistence, I found out the culprit – corn. Why the labeling does not show ‘contains corn’ or manufactured in a certain country is of a great concern for me now. Probably some laws or loop holes put in to place to guard the secrets of manufactering, and turn a blind eye to someone like me who is severely allergic to a product that is not labeled honestly.
I also believe that we should look to our food for our nutrition and medicinal needs. I have been mostly raw for almost 2 years and have overcome a major sugar addiction and SO many more symptoms, including hyperthyroidism, constipation and neck and back pain. The thing I love about the Rawsome book is that it helps you see where in the plant kingdom, you can get what you need. Also, getting out in the sun, especially in the winter is very important! I sit out on my lawn chair on a sunny day w/ just my face exposed for as long as I can stand it and it helps get my energy up and I feel and look great! When it is too cold here in UT, I sit by the window and have a little nap in the sun. There are ways to get the vitamin D and other nutrients besides animal sources.
Scanned? What’s that? How do I do that?
Regarding the B12 issue, I have heard many differing opinions but many professional experts will tell you the B12 is only found in animal products. Most experts on vegan health are now telling people to supplement if you go without animal products for a while. I think it is a good idea because pernicious anemia is not too much fun!
For the people who are having trouble getting their ferritin levels up in spite of taking iron supplements, etc.: Try eliminating gluten completely for several months then be retested. Low ferritin levels can be symptomatic of gluten intolerance because the gluten damages the lining of the small intestine where minerals like iron should be absorbed. Gluten is contained in wheat, barley, rye, spelt, and triticale, and it hides in many prepared foods. You have to read labels very carefully and learn new habits such as not using the same knife in the almond butter that your family member used on their wheat toast.
Poo-pooing vitamin supplements sends the wrong message. I agree that multi-vitamins are totally unnecessary for most healthy people who are eating right and drinking “green smoothies”. However, I believe some supplements have their place in nutritional health care. Ascorbic acid is a life saver in some instances.
Here is a case of the New Zealand dairy farmer on life support systems who was cured of Swine Flu and Leukemia with intravenous Vitamin C.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Living-Proof/tabid/371/articleID/171328/Default.aspx
Linus Carl Pauling was a strong advocate of Vit C supplementation. He was an American chemist, peace activist, author, and educator. He was one of the most influential chemists in history and ranks among the most important scientists of the 20th century. Pauling was among the first scientists to work in the fields of quantum chemistry and of molecular biology.
Dr. Abram Hoffer, the genius in the field of Orthomolecular Medicine, had wonderful success treated his patients with mega-vitamin supplements. Some chronic pellagrins might require at least 600 milligrams per day of vitamin B3 to prevent the return of pellagra symptoms. Schizophrenics, forming about one or two percent of the population, are dependent on multi-gram doses of niacin.
Vitamin dependencies induced by genetics, diet, drugs, or illness do exist. It’s a mistake to discount their value.
What is the name of the gadget testing the skin for what you tested for?
Pharmanex BioPhotonic Scanner if you can find one near you.
@Shannon
Dr. Joel Fuhrman recommends that people w/ digestion problems consume most of their fresh produce very lightly cooked (i.e. steamed), just enough for provide some tenderness. This breaks down some of the tough fiber that is most often the culprit. You should also be making fermented foods a big part of your diet. Pro-biotics really help digestion. Green smoothies are great because the produce is already broken down in tiny pieces–making it very easy for the body to digest and use. If you suffer from IBS symptoms, I highly recommend acupuncture. It’s worked for me in relieving the cramping and resulting stress that keeps the cycle going.
Thanks so much Hilary for that inspiring video about the New Zealand dairy farmer. Your comments are so right on track! We are discovering that our family (which includes 8 children) needs extra nutrients not obtained by just raw food and green smoothies. which of course we do also. I , (the mother) had a grandmother and grandfather who both died before I was born. My grandmother was in a sanatorium and died there with tuberculosis. This grandmother had two sisters who also died with this same disease. My mother has had tuberculosis spots on her lungs for most of her life, which thankfully have never developed. My grandfather died early with a heart attack. Then my own father died with Lou Gehrigs, only about 18 months after diagnosis. The U.S. is paying a pension to my mom, his widow, for this disease taking his life. What vaccines or procedures they did which might have caused this…we probably will never know. I did recently find out that I was conceived just shortly after his vaccines and the chemical experiments on him when he was in the army. Could this have helped bring my family some health problems that others might not experience? Does it make any sense that some people are genetically predisposed to need nutrients than some? We definitely think so!
How expensive is this Pharmanex Biophotonic scanner to measure carotenoid antioxidants? I could not find easily the price on internet. Do you know other brands? Thanks, Eila
I can only speak from my experience; I have two sisters older and two sisters younger than me, all in a ten year span (our poor parents!). Each of them have conditions which affect their daily enjoyment of life. I however have no conditions and my health is superb. What’s the difference in our preventing disease practices? I’ve been taking Shaklee’s supplements for thirty years. They have not.
This is an interesting discussion. I don’t take supplements for my antioxident levels, I take them for targeting specific illnesses, viruses and parasites with the assistance of kenesiologists. I can’t help but feel the reasons for taking supplements must vary greatly. I feel terrific using green smoothies, but have years of problems caused by viral and bacterial illnesses and subsequent antibiotic and prescription medication and I’m using supplements to cleanse my body and correct the damage caused by their “cures.” Personally, I’ll probably never stop taking specific herbs and supplements to target illness and correct specific health problems, but I can understand the general advice against multivitamin supplements.
Thanks for educating us.
Catherine from NC mountains – I’m a Catherine in NC mountains too! I live in Boone – you? Always nice to connect with like minded people in our neighborhood