I think that if a doctor wants to exclude anybody from his/her practice let ‘em. In America, medical practice is a business (at least until ObamaCare takes over). I knew of a doctor who only sees mothers who will breastfeed their babies (when there is no medical excuse not to) because he believes that is in the best interest of health. Keep America free. There are many factors that contribute to disease and also to good health. If people are free to research for themselves, they can make decisions that are pertinent to them. let’s keep it that way and keep learning from each other.

B

I am the daughter of a mother who was partially paralyzed by polio 4 years before I was born, and spent her entire life that I knew her on crutches, then in a motorized scooter when she got post-polio syndrome. So, you would think I would be in favor of vaccines. But, I’m not. Vaccines are a bandade to use when we’ve chosen an unhealthy lifestyle. My mother smoked, and was a smoker when she got polio. My mother’s diet was also very unhealthy.

I read in a book (can’t remember for sure which book, but I *think* it was Sugar Blues) that during the polio epidemic, a Dr. in North Carolina found his patients who ate sugar were the ones who got polio. He instructed all his patients to stay away from sugar, and none got polio that summer. Word got around to the community, and people stopped eating sugar — and stopped getting polio. The next year, Coca-cola and the local ice cream company (who were loosing $$) campaigned heavily w/advertisements saying sugar was healthy. People listened to the ads, started eating sugar – and drinking coke and eating ice cream – again, and started getting polio again.

God didn’t create our bodies to be sick. We make ourselves sick with unhealthy choices. That’s been happening since the days of the plagues, when people lived in filthy villages that invited rat infestations, which brought with them the fleas that spread the plague. We need to do our homework and find out how to live healthy and do it!

Hi Valerie and Bonnie ~

So glad you saw vaccines for what they are which is akin to blood-letting in the middle ages. They talk about lead in toys, and mercury in fish, but no one sees the fallacy of injecting someone, bypassing the normal immune defenses (ears, nose, throat), w/these neuro-toxic heavy metals and carcinogens. Unbelievable how naive and ignorant people are.

I understand a parent’s concern re: these ‘diseases’ or ‘viruses’, but once you uncover the truth about the sole purpose of vaccines which is about $, bottom line, you understand how everything else is designed to make you ‘think’ you need these god-forsaken poisons.

Once you commit yourself to a purpose or solution to a problem, it seems that it becomes easier to identify the answers that are all around us, i.e., through people and our own experiences. I knew this was possibly one of the most important decisions to make and I did not make it lightly. My own grandfather was a medical doctor, although in a holistic sense, and my sister-in-law was a pharmaceutical rep, now pharmacist. I have several cousins who are nurses and/or are in the medical field. So I did not want to make a knee-jerk decision, even though it was assumed that I would vaccinate.

I chose independently not to vaccinate my own children, both of whom were born at home w/o any medical procedures. My son is intact, and I read and talked w/other parents who also had not chosen this barbaric procedure. Neither was vaccinated and are bright, healthy young adults.

I have spent several hundred hours reading, discussing, attending lectures, talking w/health professionals on both ends of the spectrum, and yet w/all this info gathered, my initial decision still rings true not to vaccinate based on the ingredients in vaccines.

You don’t need hundreds of hours of research, but do read as much as you can on both sides to become truly informed and above everything, trust your gut and your instincts.

My friend Ronnie and his wife, Jennifer, a nurse, waited 6 mos. until their baby boy, Eric, received his first set of shots. They were assured by their doctor that vaccines are safe and that there are no side effects. They were not 100% comfortable w/going through on this procedure, however, in the end, they relented. Their son, Eric, once a healthy, bright, bubbly little boy, is now 19 and suffered seizures soon after the vaccines were administered, and has continued to have seizures until this day. He has never walked, talked, sat up by himself, fed himself, etc. He has the body of a 4-yr old child and weighs 44 lbs. This is not an unusual situation in that many other children have suffered as badly as Eric, and some far worse, if you can imagine. It’s just that you don’t see them in public as they cannot function and their parents are exhausted from taking care of them and the rest of the family.

I hear personal stories from parents who tell me they wished they had trusted themselves instead of the doctor, who does not have all the answers, and is often unwilling to share all the data and knowledge re: vaccines. Many of their children now require 24/7 care and they work 2-3 jobs to keep it together w/their other healthy kids falling through the cracks.

Urge others to do their homework too. You could save a life by letting people know that they have a choice. I hand out vaccine info cards by VacLib.org They are $16 for 100 cards and you can order more than that. Just ordered 1000 for $90. I hand them out daily to people; parents I see at the market, post office, schools, etc. My words are, ‘from one parent to another, I thought you might be interested in this important info’ and hand them the card which has over 25 websites on the back side. It’s a great piece of info and I’ve only had a few people say, ‘no thanks’.

I don’t know what to do, as a young mom. I have a 4 year old, a 2 year old and a 9 month old. All kiddos have been immunized thus far. I would like to bring another argument to the table. As our government, as inefficient as they are, ruins even more of our health care the ‘immunizations that can save the masses’ will be rationed and delt with as terribly as other government funded programs are handled. Does anyone remember last year? The long lines at the health dept to get the swine flu shots? Hmm…..create situations where lots of parents with small children stand in lines for hours all together…create situations where diseases can spread like wildfire… then turn parents away in the end and not give them the shots after all and make them work at finding it somewhere else just to expose lots of kids and groups of people to each other. STUPID! STUPID GOVERNMENT!

I did not want to stand in those lines. I was a high risk household since I had just given birth and had two young children. The government was in charge of the immunizations, the administration of said vaccines, and the government was the shortage reason. Even rated as a high risk family, we could not get the shots anywhere! Do we really really think that if an epidemic comes out our GOVERNMENT CAN SAVE US? REALLY? Our health is in our own hands and will have to be even more so as government puts their filthy hands all over even more of our health choices! We need to be more health self sufficient regardless if we believe in immunizations or not for ourselves and our loved ones. I, personally, know that those in the alternative medical world have assisted me and empowered me to be more health self sufficient. The mainstream medical community has simply put a bandaid (pill/medication) on my children and me reagarding our health concerns.

Also, I was recently upset last month with my child’s pediatrician because he told me, when my baby’s weight/height chart reflected that he hadn’t grown as much as the curve, “He’s so far advanced. He looks healthy, but start giving him creams and sauces and gravies and you can start on whole milk. He’s already getting lactose through you from your breastmilk” He’s only 9 months old!

Yes, he’s trying to walk already, tackling stairs, and is a smart smart kid (if I do say so myself ) but is his body ready for this? He’s got rolls and chubby cheeks! He was only 18 inches long when he was born! (8 pound 3 ounces chubby bubby yes because I exercise and eat really health when pregant) Genetically I’m only 5’4 and petite and my hubby isn’t that tall either for a guy! I wanted to scream because instead of questioning the nurse’s mesurements (which actually said he shrunk? how is that possible? Especially since I had to bump him up in clothes sizes early because he was busting out of his 6 to 9 month clothes!)

I was advised to give my baby foods I don’t even eat! The same doctor said, at my son’s 2 year appointment, “Don’t stress too much about what your kids eat, as long as they drink milk and take a vitamin. Kid’s don’t really eat vegetables anyway.” Or, at my daughter’s 3 year appointment said, “If she is thirsty give her milk. Milk will quench her thirst and her hunger.” But advises moms to stop breastfeeding at 12 month old because, “Hunger and thirst is what drives babies to eat food. They will decline in weight if you keep breastfeeding past 12 months.” I also heard him tell a drug rep who was still breastfeeding her baby past the 12 months when she got home at night and one time during the night when he woke up, “It isn’t really conforting to the baby to breastfeed past that time just for the mom”. (Then why the heck do mom’s stick pacifiers in their kids mouths if the sucking reflex isn’t a confort reflex? And, why discourage a working mom who feels it is a bonding time for her baby for doing so?) Guess who? Yep. Dr. Weipert.

Thanks Robyn! I feel validated now for my anger after reading your blog tonight. And, as for Dr. Glade, my good friend and neighbor helped initiate him into the ‘alternative medical route’ with her 7 kids and being a herbalist. She challenged him on the immunization/medicine issue and HE LISTENED! Just FYI for the Utah County moms out there.

Mom of 3,

You seem to have had a similar experience with your pediatrician that I had at my daughters 9 month check-up. I too was told that I needed to feed my baby cream, oils, etc. Not only that but he told me that I must produce low-fat milk because she is not gaining a whole lot of weight….HUH????? I found myself staring at the guy just bewildered at what he just said. Both my kids are average height for their age but below average on the “chart”. They are very happy, healthy and active kids. My youngest has yet to see a doctor for anything other than her checkups and my oldest for constipation (which by-the-way seems to be under control now that I have him on green smoothies and eating more whole grains and less white flour). I could go on about the bad advice this doctor gave me (Dr. Hurley), but the main reason I kept going to him is because he NEVER hassled me about my choice to not vaccinate. Since our last appointment however, I am in search of a new pediatrician. If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it!!!

there are risks if I vaccinate – there are risks if I don’t, right now I stopped vaccinating. My children that were vaccinated, and put on antibiotics all the time and fed the SAD are the most unhealthy, but luckily, all my children are healthy. They are trim, fit, etc.

Love this blog, love all the mom’s comments and hate Dr. Weipert who I have never even met! (I live in canada) Thanks for everyone’s thoughts!

Ninsk, I totally agree. I elected not to subject myself and my last 3 kids to any “well baby” exams. I mean what’s the point of taking a healthy child to a doctor? So he and his misinformed staff can belittle you, pressure you to vaccinate, and make you feel like a bad parent when you know in your heart that you are doing way more and exercising more responsibility than most parents to give your kids better health?

Granted, there is a need for doctors, like when my son broke his arm. But when you’ve chosen not to vaccinate, well child exams are just a waste of time and money. (They along with vaccines are the bread and butter of pediatrics.) The other benefit is not having to worry yourself sick when the doctor points out that your healthy, developing breastfed child is not exactly following a growth chart based on overweight formula fed babies. (No offense moms who have chosen to formula feed–it’s just a fact that they often–not always–grow faster and heavier.)

The best thing I ever did was to stop relying on allopathic doctors to tell me things that my gut tells me is wrong.

One other thing that has become a pet peeve of mine is the use of the word” immunizations” when referring to these toxic injections. There have been many very good studies that call into question the idea that vaccines provide any immunity at all. So let’s call them what they are: vaccines–not immunizations. Even pro-vaccines studies cannot prove they work–they can only suggest a cause and effect.

I am an RN with many years of experience. I am also an avid complementary alternative medicine advocate. Immunization is extremely personal. I have seen people who have been debilitated with diseases such as polio, sterilized becaused of mumps, brain damange due to meningitis, and disfigured because of measles. I have also seen many children who had allergic reactions to the immunizations (of course those never get reported by the proper medical authorities), and people who have contracted horrible problems who have been vaccinated. The “studies” reported can show bias either way, depending upon how they are chosen to be reported. There are excellent books on the subject of vaccination. One of my favorites is Vaccines, are they really safe & effective by Neil Z. MIller. It gives lots of good information in it. I personally do not believe in vaccines. Does that mean I will put down those who do? Not at all. I recently had the very sad experience of seing a newborn baby placed in the NICU due to vaccines. They still don’t know the level of damage sustained or whether she will make it or not. I think the little ones immune systems are stressed far too early with what they give them now. Are healthy children endangering those who are vaccines? I don’t believe so at all. The vaccine issue is just like anything else…marketing by the government. And anyone who knows anything about markeing or not can realize that proper marketing can sell anthing to anyone. The best way to deal with this is to study it out yourself. Don’t accept stated things by your doctor or medical specialist. Do your own research. Make an invormed decision and then stick with it. My thoughts on quite a controversial subjet.

Thanks for this thread! I immunize, and have never had any problem–my babies comfort quickly after the shots, sleep more the first day, and that’s pretty much it. I have 9 healthy kids. But I have a friend with 3 kids who doesn’t immunize, and now I won’t worry for her. My older sister, with 1 autistic child and 2 Asperger’s syndrome kids, slowed to partial vaccinations when she began hearing about the risks involved, although now the link seems not to exist. That marks the beginning of my education about the risks of vaccinations (Well, I did religiously read the disclosures about each shot my children were given, but that’s well-presented for the pro-vaccine side, to be sure.) My heart goes out to the family of vaccine victims every time I hear of one, and I appreciate the wealth of information provided here for all of us parents–I have already been reading several of the links posted. I am grateful to hear about parents who followed their gut instincts against pediatricians’ advice–I don’t use antibiotics anymore (well, I do use that popular ointment sometimes) after my first son had multiple rounds of it for ear infections. They threw his body way off balance, and I was always treating the cures. He still remembers this after 16 years! Do your research and trust yourself. I now have a pediatrician who will ask my opinion about treatment, and is open about risks involved. So much better than my first one, who always gave such “medical” (read, jargon-ized) answers to my questions, as though truth is too technical for a lowly mom to grasp.

Thanks for the info. I never considered not taking my kids to well baby visits until I started talking about HEALTH related issues. Honestly, I really must say, the most healthy people around me (people who I have started befriending the last 6 months) do not immunize their kids. It really is a noteworthy trend, in my life anyway. The moms, I know, who are the most proactive about their children’s nutrition don’t see doctors very often at all (unless absolutely necessary) and alot of my new friends do not choose vaccines (raw food eaters). They don’t know each other either. They are women I have met independent of one another.

A good friend of mine was recently harmed by the flu vaccine. It was sad for her and her small children. It took away so much of her life and her independence. She has had a long road to recovery.

Another friend of mine could not afford flu vaccines last year for her large family. She said it was their healthiest winter ever.

I still am not sure what to do. My husband is very pro-vaccine. He feels erroring on the side of caution is to vaccinate. I am starting to think that we are a huge biological experiement. If vaccines are effective, why all the boosters? And if a big epidemic broke out of any kind, I don’t think our government could mobilize to save us with vaccines. I’d rather my kids confront an epidemic illness full of vigor, green smoothies, being kefir and yogurt fed, eating mom’s healthy homemade food, sleeping enough and getting enough vitamin D from playing outside daily then rely on entities who does not provide enough vaccines anyway (even IF vaccines are effective???? ..that is the question of the day…).

OK..let me correct a quote from above…Dr. Weipert said, “If your kids are thirsty give them milk to drink. Milk will quench their hunger and thirst. It’s hard to get kids to drink enough water.” he did say “Don’t worry about what your kids eat if they drink milk and take a vitamin. Kids don’t really eat vegetables anyway.” and I did paraphrase, from my recollection, “If you breastfeed past the 12 months your children will move down on the height and weigh chart” (something about the trend)…”Hunger and thirst is what drives them to eat and drink.” That is basically the same as above, but if I catch flack from anyone about my posting (directly or indirectly) from his office, my latter thoughts in this posting are very accurate representations of what was said. So, if it comes back, “I didn’t say that!”…maybe not exactly since I didn’t have a tape recorder, but this is how I remember it.

As for the bonuses, the bonus came from the parent company (IHC) ,from my recollection. It was for all the employees of the office when the immunization rate was above a certain percentage. So, it was like a contest in which everyone in the office worked together to send letters and encourage people to immunize. I don’t think that it was people saying, “how many kids can we hurt to make money?”. I think it was the majority of people thinking it was a win win situation for everyone, “Kids get vaccinated and we get a bonus”. But, I don’t think there would be any love loss from employees of the office if a parent or patient left the practice who did not vaccinate either, because this was a ‘contest’ as it were. I do not know if this is still being continued to date. See… I’m not a radical, but it still doesn’t seem right either way.

For those parents wondering about pediatricians who will not hound them for vaccinations, try Family Practitioners. They are less likely to bombard you with lectures for your decisions not to vaccinate since they are not solely pediatricians. One pediatrician did inform me that they are held accountable if parents do choose NOT to vaccinate which is why they push. I received this wise advice (choose a family practice in lue of pediatrics) from a friend and haven’t had a problem since.

Can you Robyn or anyone else point me in the right direction for educating myself about the side-effects/effects of vaccinations.

I have a 4 year old daughter and she has received all up to date immunizations according to the Indiana Health Dept. Which I feel to be unnecessary due to her perfect health until after she receives a shot.

Fever, behavioral changes, weakness, etc are all signs I have seen for up to a week following an immunization. Considering not inocculating before Kindergarten.

Appreciate any sources shared.